> On 28 Mar 2018, at 17:37, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 2:40 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be > <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > > >> So mind is what the brain does. > > > Mind is what universal machine or number does. The physical brain is > among that. > > Numbers can't count, but I can count numbers.
In that sense, numbers can count given that all partial computable functions are representable in Robinson Arithmetic (which leads easily to that conclusion). Or you mean that you have some magical soul which can count, but then you are out of the Digital Indexical Mechanist thesis. > Rocks can't count but I can count rocks because the matter and energy in my > brain is arranged in such a way that it enables me to do so It means the brain can emulate a Universal Number (by which I mean a number u such that u compute f_i(x) when given I and x. > but they are not arranged that way in a rock. I agree with this. A rock cannot be said to think, because a rock does not implement a universal numbers. Of course, there is quantum and digital-mechanist sense in which a rock, or even a vacuum can “think” as an emerging pattern of infinitely many computations, but that is not the usual meaning of computation. Strictly speaking, a rock cannot think, because it is only an object of thinking emerging from all computations. In arithmetic or any chosen computational base. (Base in the sense of computer science, not in the sense of quantum physics, to be sure). > The arrangement of matter and energy can be characterized as information and > that is why information is as close as you can get to the traditional concept > of the soul and still remain within the scientific method. Information, numbers, codes, combinators, finite expression, whatever the name is used, it makes sense only in some part of theoretical computer science. Bruno > > John K Clark > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to email@example.com > <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.