On Wednesday, April 11, 2018 at 12:19:04 PM UTC, Bruce wrote:
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> From: Bruno Marchal <mar...@ulb.ac.be <javascript:>>
>
> On 11 Apr 2018, at 00:47, Bruce Kellett < <javascript:>
> bhke...@optusnet.com.au <javascript:>> wrote:
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> From: Bruno Marchal <mar...@ulb.ac.be <javascript:>> 
>
>
> Phenomenologically only. But that non-locality does not allow any physical 
> influence at a distance. Even those not exploitable for communication at a 
> distance.
>
>
> Non-locality does not allow remote communication, but it does mean that 
> entangled physical systems are non separable, so what you do at one end of 
> the entanglement affects the behaviour of the other end.
>
>
> That does not follow from any proof of “non-locality” in Everett Quantum 
> Mechanics. But that is entailed indeed in QM + the assumption of a unique 
> physical universe.
>
>
> Surprisingly, perhaps, Everettian QM is identical to standard QM in every 
> possible experiment/prediction. QM implies non-locality in any 
> interpretation.
>
> But, contrary to what you said, only Bruce has tried to show that we keep 
> some influence at a distance in Everett, but convince nobody, and his 
> “Everett interpretation” used a notion of “world” which has been shown 
> inconsistent already with Mechanism.
>
>
> So much the worse for mechanism.
>
>
> You talk like if you knew that there is a world. Show me one evidence.
>
>
> You talk of an "infinity of worlds". Surely that means that there is at 
> least one?
>
> I imagine that you see yourself as living in a "world"; and that that 
> world has a set of relatively consistent properties. Abolish that notion 
> and life suddenly becomes very difficult indeed!
>
>
> No, mechanism explain why we see ourself as living in a world, but without 
> committing oneself ontologically.
>
>
> Oh, I see that now you admit that we live in a world. What does 
> ontological commitment have to do with it? You are just obfuscating again.
>
>
> but once again he just said he already proved that was not true 
>
> ?
>
> Never said that. On the contrary I have always referred, for this non 
> locality question in Everett,  to either Deustch and Hayden paper, or 
> Tipler’s paper, or Price Webpage  <https://www.hedweb.com>
> https://www.hedweb.com/manworld.htm
>
>
> Your authorities are terminally flawed, as I have repeatedly shown. If you 
> can't recall the refutations of these silly papers, then look in the 
> archives!
>
>
> I answered them. Others too.
>
>
> You may have typed some words in response to my clear refutations of their 
> arguments, but you have by no means answered the criticisms. Your famed 
> logic has failed you, once again.
>
> If you believe in influence at a distance, you are the one needing to show 
> the evidence of that extra-ordinary fact.
>
>
> The fact is demonstrated by the experiments that test Bell inequalities on 
> the singlet state.
>
> You did not. You have even considered a singlet state like if it involves 
> 4 parallel universes, when it involves infinitely many. See more in the 
> archive.
>
>
> The singlet state involves only four possible combinations of experimental 
> results -- each such combination can be identified with a separate 
> universe. The infinity of universe you keep appealing to are nothing more 
> than a figment of your imagination; they play no role in the understanding 
> of the physical situation. It is mere obfuscation on your part.
>
> Bruno, it is clear that you have no interest in actually understanding the 
> implications of entanglement in quantum mechanics. 
>

*It's gratifying that someone understands entanglement. It means two 
separated subsystems are not really separated. Right? Anything else we need 
to know? AG*
 

> We could go round these circles for ever, but you are not going to improve 
> your understanding unless you actually engage with the arguments.
>
> Bruce
>

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