> On 27 Apr 2018, at 05:25, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 4/26/2018 8:02 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> From: Brent Meeker <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> On 4/26/2018 7:16 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>>> On 4/26/2018 5:55 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>>>>> From: Brent Meeker <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 4/26/2018 3:41 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>> My point was that if there is a record that a measurement was made, >>>>>> something irreversible has been extracted from the experiment. If the QC >>>>>> is "conscious", then it has to interact with something to make this >>>>>> irreversible record, so its quantum state is irreversibly changed. But >>>>>> you are probably right: if there is no decoherence, then there is no >>>>>> consciousness, since consciousness involves irreversible memory. >>>>> >>>>> There are experiments already performed in which the welcher weg is >>>>> available but is erased, even spacelike relative to detection >>>> >>>> I know. But no information was extracted from the welcher weg photons >>>> before they were erased. I.e., no consciousness "recorded" which way and >>>> then forgot the result. I think the act of recording the result, by a >>>> consciousness or anything else, is inherently irreversible. If no record >>>> is made, then erasure is perfectly possible. Just knowing that there were >>>> welcher weg photons that have been erased is not quite the same thing. >>> >>> But that's my question: Why isn't it the same? And even if it's not how >>> would be know? The "conscious" quantum computer assures us that it not >>> only detected that there was a welcher weg photon but that it's weg was >>> known to the "consciousness" of the quantum computer, before it was erased. >>> But why would we believe it? We already have these experiments in which >>> we know the weg was available and could have been recorded, but was erased. >>> So what is the "consciousness" that adds a secret-sauce to the experiment? >> >> Good question. I doubt that you can fool quantum mechanics by calling it >> "consciousness". I think in this case the interaction with the welcher weg >> photon would amount to sufficient decoherence -- basically information was >> extracted that was not restored. Also, of course, if the QC "forgets" what >> it did, how can it report on the fact that it did anything. How can we >> believe that it actually knew which slit at some point? > > This is actually an example of the kind of experiment I've suggested Bruno > should analyze using his "comp" theory. It seems sufficiently fundamental > and dependent on a theory of consciousness and quantum mechanics that Bruno's > theory should have something to say about it. One successful prediction and > his Nobel prize will be assured.
I got already a price, but it has been erased (!). Yes, as I just said, the comp analysis sustains Deutsch analysis, like it sustains the MW. Bruno > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
