> On 11 Feb 2019, at 08:05, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
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> 
> On 2/10/2019 10:47 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 04:24:40PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 2/10/2019 3:34 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:
>>>> 9. Consciousness began when human culture became advanced, around 3000
>>>> years ago (Julian Jaynes).
>> The date more usually given is 40,000 years bp. There was an explosion
>> of advanced culture that occurred at that time. Steven Pinker promotes
>> this idea ("the brain's big bang") IIRC.
>> 
>> 
> As I recall, Jaynes put it at the beginning of trade between tribes.  Because 
> when you're bargaining you have to keep your thoughts to yourself and learn 
> to lie.

Jayne idea might make sense for the human self-consciousness, but consciousness 
per se is more large and primitive. 

Now, even this I doubt a little bit. Self-consciousness seems to me to be 
needed to begin the trades, but of course, it is debatable.

Bruno



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