I will do a personal confession: I have never believe in matter, because I have never seen any evidence for it. Even in my “molecular biology” period, which taught me the basic of the Mechanist idea, I was not taking seriously the idea that atoms and particles are made of something. The antic dream argument, which I think all kids find by themselves (but not all develop the interest to dig more on this) is enough to rise doubt that matter exist, or make sense. Then with mechanism, matter is provably “redundant or contradictory”. But without mechanism, we can virtually make any ontological commitment we want, and I’m afraid this leads to the “fairy tale” theory, like I think materialism is already a sort of fairy tale. The only think which could change my mind would be a violation by nature of the three quantum logics of the material hypostases (the six of them, actually, but we already know indirectly that physics has few chance to appear exclusively in the communicable/provable material modes of self-reference. Don’t hesitate to find some argument in favour of primitive materials, but in my opinion, this is highly speculative, and never used in physics. It is just a bad habit we have since Aristotle, who did not understood Plato’s argument. Matter is like God, in the sense of the greeks, which means that it is something that we have to explain, and this without invoking an ontological commitment, except as last resort. It isa bit like the error of invoking Alien each time we find something weird in the cosmos. Possible, but without very strong evidence, it is more an abandon of trying to understand, than an explanation per se. Bruno > > - pt > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to email@example.com > <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.