> On 15 Feb 2019, at 20:37, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 1:15 PM Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be > <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > > > I will do a personal confession: I have never believe in matter, > > Matter doesn't care if you believe in it or not, it will just continue doing > what it does.
Assuming it exists. But in that case you have to explain what is primary matter, and how it makes some computations (going through your mind state) in arithmetic more real than others. That assumption makes things more complex, and without any evidence for it. So it looks like making things only more complex without any evidence for it. Assuming matter makes it primitive, without reason. > > > because I have never seen any evidence for it. > > That's OK, I don't think matter has ever seen any evidence for you either. Nor for your consciousness, but you cannot eliminate it, as you say in your critics on Dennett (with which I agree). > > > Matter is like God, > > Matter is nothing like God, one is amenable to the scientific method and one > is not, that is to say one is bullshit and one is not. I should have written “Assumed Matter” or “Primitive Matter”. It is like a creator God, instead of “God made it”, you accept/assume its existence, which is equivalent to abandoning the idea of explains it from simpler principles. It is the common “Aristotle's mistake” of reifying a metaphysical notion, to avoid explains it. To say “because matter is” is not a progress from “because A God made it”. > > > in the sense of the greeks > > Yes in the sense of the ancient Greeks, in other words in the sense of people > with less scientific literacy than a bright fourth grader. No, in theology Wie have regressed a lot, after the theology-science has been stolen by Churches and Tempes to control and manipulate people. Most people are even ignorant of the work of the neopythagorean and the neoplatonist. They ignore that the science of physics, mathematics, and even mathematical logic are all born from that scientific theology of the ancient greeks. It is just that after 529 in Occident, and after1248 (Al Ghazali) in the Middle-East, the field has been made taboo or mocked by people who use dogma instead. > Why oh why do you keep talking about those ignoramuses? Because in theology, to put it roughly, we have imposed inconsistent theories since long. > > > which means that it is something that we have to explain, > > And then we have to explain the explanation and then explain the explanation > of the explanation and then… … and then we explains everything, including the necessary presence of some unexplainable experiences and realms, just from elementary addition and multiplication, without assuming anything more than Mechanism and accepting the standard definitions in the fields of epistemology and ancient theology. Mechanism explains the conscious appearance and the sharable and non sharable part of the physical reality, without committing itself in strong ontological assumption. Bruno > > John K Clark > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org > <mailto:email@example.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.