On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 7:54:49 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 3:40 AM Philip Thrift <cloud...@gmail.com 
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>> *> We may even have robots that can sit and talk with us about current 
>> events, know everything in Wikipedia, etc. How "creative" they will be is 
>> an open question. *
> I don't think it's a open question at all. I can state without 
> reservation that regardless of how intelligent computers become they will 
> *never* be creative because the word "creative" now means whatever 
> computers aren't good at. Yet. And thus due to Moore's Law and improved 
> programing the meaning of the word constantly changes. What was creative 
> yesterday isn't creative today.
> *> On mathematics: Of course mathematics changes, because it is a type of 
>> language, and languages change.*
> If mathematics is just a language (as I think it is) then it can not be 
> used to construct things, in particular it can't, by itself without the use 
> of matter, construct a Turing Machine as Bruno claims it can. English is 
> also a language but an English word has no meaning without an English 
> speaker with a physical brain to hear it.
>  John K Clark

There is some AI art that sells at galleries


but that's about it I've seen.

Turing machines in theoretical computing/math books are all fictional 
things, of course.

All actual computers are made of matter.

(Technically the fictional ones are too: Printed ink glyphs on paper.)



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