On Tuesday, August 13, 2019, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 9:40 AM Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On 7 Aug 2019, at 15:08, Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> >> What exactly is the difference between something that it is
>> impossible in principle to detect and something that does not exist?
>>
>
>
> *> It is like the difference between the human existence and the human non
>> existence, for an alien situated in a very far away galaxy. The fact that
>> this alien cannot detect us does not make the human disappearing. *
>>
>
> You're dodging the question. We can certainly detect ourselves, and it is
> not impossible in principle for a alien in a distant galaxy to detect us,
> and that is very different from your silly phantom computations that pure
> numbers are suposed to be able to perform.
>
> > *It is like the other side of the moon before we built rocket. *
>>
>
> Nobody ever said there was a philosophical problem in observing the far
> side of the moon, it was always just a matter of engineering, but no amount
> of engineering can make your ridiculous phantom calculations real. If they
> existed it would be possible in principle to count the number of angels
> that were sitting on the head of a pin, but your non-material Turing
> Machine is hopeless.
>
>
The conversation was about other branches of the wavefunction.  (Which I
think you believe in despite not being able to see, nor them being able to
make a CPU useful to you).

Jason



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