On Friday, November 15, 2019 at 9:49:02 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 15, 2019 at 6:51:45 PM UTC-7, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> On Friday, November 15, 2019 at 3:06:08 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 10:27 PM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> *> I notice you habitually avoid discussing the problem of ontological >>>> versus epistemological * >>> >>> >>> It is a ontological fact that Bell's inequality is violated and there is >>> no epistemological explanation for that fact. You keep wanting a mental >>> picture of the quantum world that conforms with your common sense everyday >>> expectations of how things should work, I'd like that too but our wish will >>> never be granted. I like Many Worlds because although it's very bizarre >>> it's the least bizarre quantum interpretation that fits the hyper bizarre >>> facts; but the universe doesn't care what I think is strange so if it turns >>> out Many Worlds is not true then we would know that something even stranger >>> is. >>> >>> John K Clark >>> >> >> There is no decision procedure to determine if QM is ψ-epistemic >> or ψ-ontic. It is not provable either way. >> >> LC >> > > Occam's Razor. AG > >> >> > Allowing the ψ-epistemic is equivalent to"scientifically" positing that all there is (all reality - whether one calls it the cosmos, nature, the universe-in-toto, ...) is a product of "mind".
It's laughable that those - physicists I guess - who believe the ψ-epistemic are some of the ones decrying "postmodernism". This is basically the Deepak Chopra philosophy that he has seminars on. @philipthrift -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9b302562-8f83-4c5a-b04c-933768b5350e%40googlegroups.com.
