On 11/15/2019 11:43 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:
On Friday, November 15, 2019 at 9:49:02 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote:
On Friday, November 15, 2019 at 6:51:45 PM UTC-7, Lawrence Crowell
wrote:
On Friday, November 15, 2019 at 3:06:08 PM UTC-6, John Clark
wrote:
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 10:27 PM Alan Grayson
<[email protected]> wrote:
/> I notice you habitually avoid discussing the
problem of ontological versus epistemological /
It is a ontological fact that Bell's inequality is
violated and there is no epistemological explanation for
that fact. You keep wanting a mental picture of the
quantum world that conforms with your common sense
everyday expectations of how things should work, I'd like
that too but our wish will never be granted. I like Many
Worlds because although it's very bizarre it's the least
bizarre quantum interpretation that fits the hyper bizarre
facts; but the universe doesn't care what I think is
strange so if it turns out Many Worlds is not true then we
would know that something even stranger is.
John K Clark
There is no decision procedure to determine if QM
is ψ-epistemic or ψ-ontic. It is not provable either way.
LC
Occam's Razor. AG
Allowing the ψ-epistemic is equivalent to"scientifically" positing
that all there is (all reality - whether one calls it the cosmos,
nature, the universe-in-toto, ...) is a product of "mind".
How do you conclude this?? The epistemic interpretation just says the
wf is our mathematical representation of what we know about reality.
It's laughable that those - physicists I guess - who believe the
ψ-epistemic are some of the ones decrying "postmodernism". This is
basically the Deepak Chopra philosophy that he has seminars on.
It's laughable that you are so quick to mock, rather than understand.
Brent
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