On 11/16/2019 11:39 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:


On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 4:45:56 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:



    On 11/16/2019 2:38 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:


    On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 10:54:06 AM UTC-6, Brent wrote:

        The epistemic interpretation just says the wf is our
        mathematical representation of what we know about reality.


    If that is the definition of epistemic, then any mathematical
    physics is epistemic ("ur mathematical representation of what we
    know"):

    It is the definition of epistemic.  And it is in contrast to the
    ontic interpretation of QM which says that the wave function is
    real and changing it due to a measurement must be described a some
    physical process, not just taking the measurement into account to
    update our knowledge.

    Brent



From an applied mathematics perspective, it seems that *Schrödinger equation*, *Einstein equations*, *Maxwell's equations*, ... are all tools for making predictions about measurements, whether those measurements are made by lab instruments or telescopes.

I don't see where a philosophically metaphysical and esoteric term like "knowledge" comes in in any of those equations.

It comes into QM because it's probabilistic.  If you wrote Maxwell's equations for the field produced by charged particles whose position was only given by a probability density function you would get a probabilistic prediction and when you measured the field at a few points and got definite answers, you would change you prediction of the field so that it matched the measurements at those points.  Your knowledge of the field would still not be definite but it would have changed due to the measurement.  Schrodinger's equation only predicts probabilistic measurement results, so it's always like that.

Brent

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