> On 21 Nov 2019, at 18:23, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
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> The sciences do not try to explain, they hardly even try to  interpret, they 
> mainly make models. By a model is meant a  mathematical construct which, with 
> the addition of certain verbal  interpretations, describes observed 
> phenomena. The justification of  such a mathematical construct is solely and 
> precisely that it is  expected to work.
>     --—John von Neumann

That is instrumentalism. It does not work as von Neumann eventually understood. 
That is why he defended the idea that consciousness reduce the wf.

Bruno




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> On 11/21/2019 12:31 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote:
>> What are the models the models of if not of truth ? If models are not 
>> intended to model truth, then what are they intended to do ? Create a 
>> fantastical world for World of Warcraft ?
>> 
>> On Friday, 15 November 2019 02:03:14 UTC+2, Philip Thrift wrote:
>> 
>> But good luck in life finding the absolute truth! Let us know when you find 
>> it.
>> 
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