> On 26 Nov 2019, at 21:11, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 11/26/2019 4:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 21 Nov 2019, at 18:23, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> The sciences do not try to explain, they hardly even try to interpret, >>> they mainly make models. By a model is meant a mathematical construct >>> which, with the addition of certain verbal interpretations, describes >>> observed phenomena. The justification of such a mathematical construct is >>> solely and precisely that it is expected to work. >>> --—John von Neumann >> >> That is instrumentalism. It does not work as von Neumann eventually >> understood. That is why he defended the idea that consciousness reduce the >> wf. > > Which the buckyball Young's slit experiment shows not to work.
I am not sure the Bucky balls can help von Neumann. It can help those who claimed that it is the measurement apparatus which makes the reduction, and in that case macroscopic superposition becomes hard tp sustain, and experieùents can show them wrong, but by saying that it is consciousness which makes the ultimate reduction, I am not sure any experiment can decide anything about this. This is a bit like claiming that the other guy in Moscow is simply a zombie, which is hard to refute logically although it is non sensical with Mechanism. > So von Neumann would have abandoned that idea. He would by reading abler simony, which shows rather well that eventually, we are led to solipsism when assuming that consciousness is responsible for the wave reduction. Bruno > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/3ffc078a-05a2-f91b-1534-a1ab70025661%40verizon.net > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/3ffc078a-05a2-f91b-1534-a1ab70025661%40verizon.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/B93F2422-F6BF-47C1-8663-B75ABAFAD42E%40ulb.ac.be.
