On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 7:05 AM Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> In the duplicating machine case even after it's all over it's not at all >> clear who has won because I hear 2 equally loud and equally valid voices >> demanding that they deserve to receive the title "you”. > > > *> That is right, and it is nice to listen to them both,* > I have, * > as you should (given the definition of first person),* > Given the definition and given the circumstances there are now 2 first persons, and there is nothing indeterminate about that, it's a precise statement and was correctly predicted to happen yesterday in Helsinki. > *and when you listen to each of them, you realise that they know > perfectly who they are.* > Yes, one knows they are the Washington Man and one knows he is the Moscow Man. *> The guy in W says “I find myself clearly in W, and could not have > guessed this in H”,* > Nonsense. Yesterday in H anybody could have predicted that the man who saw W would become the W man, I don't understand what else somebody should have said yesterday in H. *> **and the guy in M says "“I find myself clearly in M, and could not have > guessed this in H”.* > This? In the above "I" is clear, it is the man who saw M, but if "this" in the above does not mean the man who sees M will become the M Man (which is easily predictable) then "this" can not be guessed at because nobody knows what the hell they're suposed to be guessing about. And atop this ridiculous foundation you have built a huge tower reaching toward the ethereal heights. And you wonder why I stopped reading your "proof"! > > *both confirms that they got “THE” experience.* > Then yesterday in Helsinki it was a ridiculous question to ask "what one and only one will get THE experience?", it's so ridiculous it wasn't a question at all, it was just gibberish. > y*ou can no more invoke a god* [...] > And at this point I say goodnight because I know from experience that after you invoke that particularly ridiculous word (or start babbling about ancient Greeks) nothing intelligent ever follows. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv36eu9Edc%2BTNEhY_P1eq89riJb_mSBSZgF_asCEBwq8UA%40mail.gmail.com.
