On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 9:32 PM Alan Grayson <agrayson2...@gmail.com> wrote:
*> IMO, there's nothing mysterious about Bruno's definition of mechanism. > It's what's generally believed by most physicists; namely, that everything > in the universe can be explained by the interaction of particles (and > waves), * Or to say the same thing more simply, every event has a cause, there is no logical reason that must be true but it's a good working assumption to start with. All physicists think its true except at the quantum level, and with 2 exceptions even religious people think it's true; the exceptions are the Soul's actions and God's actions which they think are events without a cause, which is the very definition of random. Yet in direct contradiction to that religious people are constantly talking about the logical reasons, the causes, for God's actions. For example they believe God made the hurricane hit the city BECAUSE he was angry. Why was God angry? God was angry because of gay marriage. Why would gay marriage make God angry? Because it's morally wrong. What makes something morally wrong?..... It's unclear how religious people think this chain of questions will terminate or even if they think it will terminate at all, to tell the truth I don't think most have even given it any thought. >> Self-duplication is made possible by the Digital Mechanism. If you agree >> that with self-duplication, > > *> I don't. * So you believe in the 18'th century idea of vitalism, the idea that everything interesting about the universe is caused by a secret sauce that science can never explain. But strangely you do believe you're the same person you were a year ago even though the atoms you had in your body then have all been replaced by new atoms. For reasons never made clear you think that doesn't count. I must conclude that you don't believe in self-duplication for emotional reasons not intelectual ones, the same reason you don't believe in the Many Worlds quantum interpretation. *> **there's no way that arithmetic alone can CREATE space and time. * There is no way arithmetic alone can create ANYTHING, but bizarrely Bruno believes it can. That's why I say although he uses the word constantly I have no idea what Bruno means by "mechanism". *> A computer can create "points" in a hypothetical grid, and various types > of distance formulas, but it cannot* [...] A computer is NOT "arithmetic alone", a computer is made of matter and uses energy. Bruno is the one who thinks arithmetic alone can do things not me, in fact he thinks it can do everything. * > **what's your definition of physicalism?* I have none, I never use the word and have no use for it. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv1H4HCA%2Bq05aD5g6czZguArekhFH08SKJDzBd1BAaQkqw%40mail.gmail.com.
