On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 10:55:38 PM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 7:40:30 PM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 6:48:09 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2/27/2020 10:25 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 6:20:02 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2/27/2020 8:32 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: >>>> > how does one explain the ultimate emergence of stable matter? >>>> > Consequently, I surmise that the QF must exist. AG >>>> >>>> That's the same kind of logic that Bill O'Reilly used when he said "The >>>> tides come in. The tides go out. How do you explain that without God?" >>>> >>>> Brent >>>> >>> >>> So you have no idea how particles came into existence in the very early >>> universe, other than to trash Wheeler? Is this your position? AG >>> >>> >>> No, I'm trashing you for inferring that QF must exist because there's no >>> explanation for matter. >>> >>> Brent >>> >> >> I suppose I should have stated that quantum foam probably exists. But is >> there some other tentative theory for the emergence of matter? I haven't >> heard of one. What's your preferred theory at this point in time? AG >> > > IIUC, Bruce rejects the theory of quantum foam because it depends (in his > view) on a false interpretation of the HUP; namely, that energy in the form > of particles emerges from the vacuum in a way which violates conservation > of energy for very short durations. OTOH, LC seemed to embrace QF to > explain the emergence of particles from the vacuum of the early universe. > OTOH2, if the very early universe contained only photons, where did they > come from? What is the theory, if any, of the emergence of particles in the > early universe? AG >
What is the present best model of the very early universe, before inflation started? Pure energy in the form of vacuum energy, or just photons, or photons emerging from the vacuum energy? AG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1da77882-4916-4a27-8427-79f72384b4f7%40googlegroups.com.
