The latest method's not very different from what you imagined as "measuring the shadow cast" except they shoot electrons, not photons, at the protons.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0370269303015387?via%3Dihub

https://arxiv.org/pdf/nucl-th/0508037.pdf

They're measuring a correction term in the scattering cross-section that depends on the size of the charge distribution in the proton.

Brent

On 4/25/2020 5:25 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:


On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 5:36:01 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:



    On 4/25/2020 3:33 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:


    On Sunday, January 6, 2019 at 12:53:52 AM UTC-7, Brent wrote:

        To measure small things you need comparably short
        wavelengths.  If you
        make a photon with a wavelength so short it can measure the
        Planck
        length it will have so much mass-energy that it will fold
        spacetime
        around it and become a black hole...so you won't be able to
        use it to
        measure anything.

        Brent


    I understand the BH issue. But suppose we want to measure the
    diameter of a proton and use photons of large wave length, say of
    radio frequency. If we're looking for a shadow on a screen, why
    won't the large wavelength leave a discernible shadow of the
    proton? Or is it the back scattering we look for? Same question;
    that is, why must the impinging wavelength be of comparable
    length to measure a physical object of the same approximate
    length? TIA, AG

    If you use a wavelength that is not shorter than the dimension
    you're measuring your resolution is just the wavelength.  The
    waves refract around the object so you can't resole edges.

    Brent


That's what I was thinking; you get diffraction on the edges, which are then not well defined. But suppose you use a short enough wavelength to measure the diameter of a proton. How can get an actual measurement, given the tiny diameter? How is it done? AG
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