On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:23:35PM -0700, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > This is no-go unless the problem of ice crystal expansion is solved. This > causes disruption of cellular and intercellular structures. In effect > people so frozen are simply dead. Also freezing is not something > instantaneous. By the time brain cells are really frozen they are dead. > They die within about 10 minutes after the heart stops. Freezing is not > fast enough. > > You also have the problem that even if that can be worked around a person > so frozen, where I guess now it is just the head with the idea of cloning > bodies etc, has to be kept in some sort of endowment. Within a century of > so that will burn off like the morning fog. Even if money is kept in trust, > economic changes and disruptions can also pull the off-switch. Maybe some > famous or powerful people would be maintained and revived in order to know > something of the future's past. For the average Jane and Joe if it takes to > long I suspect the switch is turned off and they are taken out with the > garbage. > > Now, for those running ALCOR or related companies this might be for now a > cash cow. If enough people can be duped into this it might provide serious > profits.
I share some of your concerns, but so far ALCOR most probably is not a scam (but I never examined them from this angle carefully). There is a problem of crystals and recreating destroyed parts with technology not yet existing (and which limitations we do not know, but each tech has some). But where I see a huge fail of this concept is the domain of "what humans do to each other". See, for example this article (the author makes a lot of interesting claims, but I have not enough time right now to try and verify them): [ https://see.news/crushing-mummies-and-medical-prescriptions/ ] quote: Mummies of the Ancient Egyptians were exported abroad in a profitable trade centuries ago. They were crushed and sold in pharmacies in the Middle Ages up to the 18th century. People believed then that powder of the mummies give them the power of the Pharaohs and their good health. The Westerners believe that tar of the mummies is the panacea for their diseases so they took it as a prescription. endquote Also, "Human-mummy romance in fiction": [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Human-mummy_romance_in_fiction ] Basically, there were many mummies burried in the desert. Most of them, not pharaohs (who are still somewhat protected from bad treatment, for a while). So, those guys believed that if they were properly dealt with after their death, one day they would be revived. But, time has passed. Ancient Egypt is no more. There is nobody to protect them anymore. Even morale and ethics had changed. Their bodies had been literally cannibalised. So much about counting on mercy of strangers, or our dear descendants. But even if they actually revive somebody, what kind of life is it going to be? Imagine a guy (European, wealthy) frozen 500 years ago, i.e. around 1520 A.D. They pop him out of the freezer today, what next? Is he going to be a... nobleman? We have no place for nobility anymore. A hired gun? He may kill himself with advanced weapon when doing his first assignment. A tradesman? What, selling tulips, pepper, salt? I assume he would be homeless or prisoner for the rest of his miserable life, after enjoying a quick time as a celebrity. But hey, he has got a chance. -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home ** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:[email protected] ** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/20200726155709.GA3902%40tau1.ceti.pl.
