> On 15 Oct 2020, at 06:20, Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujvS2K06dg4
Not much time to look at the video, but from his book, despite its notorious misunderstanding of Gödel’s incompleteness theorem, Penrose seems quite reasonable on mathematical realism. I met Penrose in Croatia some years ago, but he did not progress much on logic. In science, we can never know if a theory is true or not, and the same is true for any domain studied with the scientific method, including metaphysics/theology, which dig on that very (ontological) question. Now, in the Mechanist theory of mind, we can explain how and why the appearance of a physical universe is obtained, without postulating the existence of a physical universe. That physical universe is entirely determined, and so it can be compared to the observation, and the fact is that, from a Mechanist point of view, there are simply no evidence that a physical universe exists ontologically (no one doubt that it exists phenomenologically). So, we don’t know the truth, but we can count the evidence, and there are far more evidence for 1+1 = 2 than for an ontological status for any physical objects. Adding a physical universe in the ontology reintroduce the mind-body problem, and can make sense only in a highly non computational theory, for which there is no evidence. Physics is just not the fundamental science, once we accept Descartes/Darwin. We cannot have both Mechanism and Materialism, that leads to a contradiction. And the evidence, be it Darwin or quantum mechanics, sides strongly in favour for Mechanism, and thus against Materialism or naturalism. Materialism will be abandoned in metaphysics/theology like vitalism has been abandoned in biology, that is, as a superstition which please the mind, but only add difficulties and prevent the pursue of the questioning and research. It is “fake religion”. Bruno > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/2ce31ef5-37c7-4d17-9e67-4cb8df3e6ad6o%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/2ce31ef5-37c7-4d17-9e67-4cb8df3e6ad6o%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/403C4226-422C-47ED-B07D-2AAF20D2FF96%40ulb.ac.be.
