On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 6:15:46 AM UTC-6 PGC wrote: > On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 2:25:34 AM UTC+1 Brent wrote: > >> >> >> On 10/31/2020 4:21 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> >> >> For this reason I do not become particularly angry if someone tells me >> they accept global warming as real science, but think we really do not need >> to do anything about it. At least that is an opinion honestly expressed. If >> on the other hand people try to say it is fake-science and all a hoax and >> so forth, that gets my anger level up. The reason is because it is a lie, >> and this lie is being expressed to convince other people of it. My general >> sense of opinions of this form is based on what I see according to empathy >> and a sense of my connectedness to others. For that reason I have liberal >> proclivities. For those who dismiss these things and think everything >> should be economic, well that is an opinion and I can accept that. >> >> The reason it is difficult to dismiss global warming is the assumption > that science, our descriptions of nature in particular, and culture can be > neatly separated. Popular, scientific, specialist, and political discourses > are entangled to such a degree that such separations appear artificial and > unsuccessful. If you can point towards literature and/or bodies of thought > that accomplish such a feat, say in some sociological or political > approach, please share. >
I am not referencing anything in the sociology field. I really do not know a lot about that. I am just making some distinction. If science tells you about impacts and transfer of momentum you might infer that caution is advised in crossing a street with traffic. It is not that Newtonian mechanics proves anything about safety. It would agree that these inferences can be wise or unwise. LC > >> But purely transactional, economic relations are inconsistent with the >> fact that humans are social animals and live and die by social organization. >> >> Brent >> "No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the >> continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe >> is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy >> friend's or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me, because I am >> involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell >> tolls; it tolls for thee." >> --- John Donne, 1623 Nunc Lento Sonitu Dicunt, Morieris >> > > The individual in the Hobbesian view relates that one individual wants > what another has, with both in a territorial dispute over the same things, > justifying the competition to pursue their selfish ends to establish rights > to property, nature, and social dominance. With Rousseau, the state of > nature is a powerful fiction that arises out of what Marx called "political > economy". Jean Starobinski on Rousseau posits one individual in this scene: > the self-sufficient, without dependency, saturated in self-love yet without > any need for another. > > Marx attacked this part of the state of nature hypothesis that establishes > the individual as primary; in *Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of > 1844 *he employs Robinson Crusoe irony of placing ourselves in a "fictive > primordial state like a political economist trying to clarify things... We > proceed from a present fact of political economy". > > Conceptions of the individual can be fruitfully questioned as to what can > or cannot be imagined. The subject would make a nice book; particularly > trying to compare and contrast these conceptions from antique to present > with the conceptions that authoritarians imply, and weighing the evidence > that such conceptions are a mere inconsistent propagandistic-opportunistic > prop, or whether something more stable is emerging in the world of > information age discourse in the wake of our most recent streak of electing > supposedly strong men. PGC > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/d6741940-4342-4c35-b361-94b8057bde28n%40googlegroups.com.
