Again, what in the hell does this have to do with anything? You go from 
some nonsense about nuclear winter to falsehoods about covid. You are 
clearly incapable to coherent thinking.

LC

On Thursday, January 21, 2021 at 11:07:45 PM UTC-6 [email protected] wrote:

> Allow me to be brief. MIT physicists went along with the soviets in 
> promoting their propaganda. Like anyone should care if it freezes, post 
> nuclear holocaust!  Secondly, the climatologists forecast models have been 
> inaccurate, as it affects the lands, and how people live, so far. What 
> kinds of energy gets produced is a critical feature for human survival, and 
> less so for the quantum realm. Last, the experts for Covid outcomes have 
> proven horrible, probably due to the complexity of the plague. 
>
>
> On Thursday, January 21, 2021 Lawrence Crowell <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> So much of what you write has little to do with anything of relevance. You 
> range from Reagan nuclear build up in the 1980 to climate change to covid 
> vaccine. it is all a jumble.
>
> LC
>
> On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 8:26:17 PM UTC-6 [email protected] wrote:
>
> Your promotion, is seemingly that scientists cannot  let their emotions 
> prevail in pursuit of studies. Yet, in the 20th century, by evidence and 
> policy the Eugenicists and the Lysenkoist are proven example of emotion and 
> group loyalty (to scientists, science societies), thwarting honest study 
> and peer review. In the 80's we had the nuclear winter scare by Carl Sagan 
> and the MIT physicists, siding with the Soviet propaganda (not that Nuke 
> Winter isn't accurate, just relevant to human survival), after a nuke war, 
> because of the effectiveness of the diminished survival rate from just fire 
> and radiation. Meaning, you can't kill me twice, so yeah, our Pershing 
> Missiles are going in NATO to match your SS 18's and 20's, sorry Mister 
> Brezhnev, tear down the wall.
>
> In Britain when first analyzed, the idea there was to push herd immunity 
> but that seemed specious now. As far as the efficaciousness of lockdowns, 
> Conservative Florida has (in real life) done immensely better 
> survival-wise, than Liberal NY, CA, etc. It doesn't appear ideological, 
> merely wiser. Climate change? Well...
> 1. it's too late!
> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-75481-z
>
> 2. Or this? We'll work on it?
>
> https://news.yale.edu/2020/12/08/yale-puts-its-might-behind-solutions-planet-need
>
> The former, I suspect that (perhaps wrongly) that there is a venal mindset 
> to the climatologists, thinking bigger paychecks for being bureaucrats, and 
> secondly, making those nasty peasants squeal! My point is that we need to 
> have an at-the-ready replacement for fracking (solar + batteries improved, 
> wind power islands at sea) before we ban the frack. Otherwise, this seems 
> like it will result in fast rising prices, dwindling supplies, rolling 
> blackouts (gas turbines = 38% of US electricity) and it causing inflation 
> and recession. 
>
> The funding of Operation Warp-Speed by your arch nemesis, has gotten the 
> vaccines out--not fast enough I admit. Maybe Kamala-Joe would also do a 
> great job with funding and pushing, we shall soon find out, eh? 
>
> For myself, I have long-sided with humorist P.J. O'Rourke, who once spake, 
> "I'm an American, I want problems solved with technology, not government."
>
> Worshipping the scientist as someone not only with talent (great 
> neuromorphic profile for maths and pattern recognition) and ability, seems 
> a bad move for us Plebes? To wit: Papal Infallibility doesn't even work 
> (ever) for the Popes. "It's settled science! snarl!"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lawrence Crowell <[email protected]>
> To: Everything List <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tue, Jan 19, 2021 6:06 am
> Subject: Re: FW: Q Anon is the tip of the iceberg
>
> I disagree. The scientific response to the covid pandemic has been 
> amazing. A year ago nothing was known about this virus and within a year 
> vaccines are being distributed. That is a very remarkable development, far 
> quicker than the development of vaccines for other diseases. In many ways 
> it rivals the speed with which the Manhattan project developed the atomic 
> bomb.
>
> I suspect the reason you and Philip call universities autocracies is 
> because they tend to fail out people like you. My contact with what Philip 
> presents as science informs me he is completely delusional. Universities, 
> and by extension editors of scientific  journals are gatekeepers. The 
> process is meant to provide tests for the scientific or intellectual 
> adequacy of publications. This does not guarantee what is published is 
> correct, but that is later decided by others who try to repeat experiments 
> or work on reported developments. If these do not lead to further results 
> the scientific claim becomes a dead end. Universities provide tests 
> students must pass to earn degrees, and further on requirements to hold 
> chairs at a department. It is not always fair, and a very competent 
> scientists who spends a year working down a blind ally may find that even 
> if they abandon that and admit error that they are completely out of the 
> game. However, it keeps people who are completely incompetent out.
>
> LC
>
> On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 2:45:25 AM UTC-6 [email protected] wrote:
>
> Yeah Phillip, you cited real world examples of academic autocracy, and 
> that autocracy is on the public dime, via student loans. STEM is absolutely 
> necessary for human survival, yet, the ability to think clearly is not to 
> be undervalued, when even the claims by scientists go awry and get the 
> human species nowhere. Science expertise did badly with Covid, with 
> attaining fusion, have up till now been slow with getting medical 
> achievements, etc. I can sum it up with saying, nice smart phones aren't 
> just compensation for not beating diseases. Trillions have been spent over 
> say, 40 years of basic research, so I ask cynically, where's out gear? I 
> will still read science news every day, because, Compulsion.
>
> On Monday, January 18, 2021 Philip Benjamin <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
>
> [email protected] Subject: RE: Q Anon is the tip of the iceberg
>  
> From: spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected]>   
> Sunday, January 17, 2021 1:23 AM  [email protected]
> Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: Q Anon is the tip of the 
> iceberg
> [Philip Benjamin]
>   I agree with the post that “Universities are the autocratic kings of 
> censorship and repression”. I have given only seven instances among 
> thousands!! Alost everyday they are EXPELLING or ostracizing somebody who 
> happened to be truthful  but have findings in disagreement with their 
> “fixations”.  Fanatic fixations to intangible un-evidential ideas and 
> ideologies cause zealotry and bigotry. This is a psychological disorder 
> that may eventually lead to personality disorder. In the Augustinian 
> Western context, especially in the backdrop of the American “Two Great 
> Awakenings” it is a very complex pagan [Pan-Gaia-n = earthling] 
> manifestation of un-awakened, kundalini/reptilian consciousness. The one 
> and ONLY remedy for that malady is an Augustinian Awakening in the academia 
> and the media (
> https://www.midwestaugustinians.org/conversion-of-st-augustine). Those 
> who have witnessed “spirit possessions” first hand attest that many of the 
> body-languages (especially the quizzical eye movements) of the members of 
> the Western Acade-Media Pagans (WAMP) correspond fully with symptoms of 
> “spirit possessions”!!!!!  It has become a common cultural pattern.  Too 
> bad. Too sad.
> Evidentialist
> Philip Benjamin                                                  CC. Rep. 
> Liz Cheney
>  
> Universities are the autocratic kings of censorship and repression. It is 
> no mistake that the most tyrannical of presidents Wilson and Obama arrived 
> from the realm of professorship. I would add FDR and his internment camps, 
> but he did free more peeps, than he imprisoned to say the least, so good on 
> him. 
> So what to do? My part is easy! Wait for errors on the side of the ruling 
> class, that affects the middle class, and when enough uncorrected problems 
> pile up, people, naturally will react. Repression from social media and the 
> banks will be one thing that initiates a back-reaction (right outta optical 
> physics).
> If the Dems do well with economic recovery, then it will be sunny skies 
> for them.  Once Kamala gets in gear, we will see what her leadership takes 
> us?
>
> On Saturday, January 16, 2021 Philip Benjamin <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> [John K Clark]
> “No universities are doing any censoring either and for exactly the same 
> reason, although I do think threatening to expel students for what they say 
> is a very unproductive thing to do”
> [Philip Benjamin]
>    There are hundreds if not thousands of instances to the contrary. Some 
> are listed below. That is why I call these Universities WAMP—Western 
> Acade-Media Pagan(ism).
> 1.  https://www.thefire.org/10-worst-colleges-for-free-speech-2020/
> 2. 
> https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/07/24/scientist-alleges-csun-fired-him-for-discovery-of-soft-tissue-on-dinosaur-fossil/
>  
>  LOS       
>      ANGELES (CBSLA.com) — Attorneys for a California State University, 
> Northridge scientist who was terminated from his job after discovering soft 
> tissue on a triceratops fossil have filed a lawsuit against the university.
> 3. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/us/19kentucky.html
>     Astronomer Sues the University of Kentucky, Claiming His Faith Cost 
> Him a Job
> 4. 
> https://www.christianpost.com/news/professor-fired-after-speech-opposing-puberty-blocking-drugs-sues-university.html
>     A Psychiatry Professor fired after speech opposing puberty-blocking 
> drugs sues university
> 5. 
> https://mynewsla.com/crime/2021/01/11/chapman-professor-who-supports-trump-resists-calls-for-ouster/
>     A Chapman University law professor who has come under fire for his 
> election fraud claims and participation in a rally led by President Donald 
> Trump just before the insurrection at the Capitol fought back Monday 
> against critics who are calling for his ouster from the university
> 6. http://www.theevolutioncrisis.org.uk/testimony5.php
> 7. 
> https://www.amazon.com/Expelled-Intelligence-Allowed-Ben-Stein/dp/B001BYLFFS
>        Big science has expelled smart new ideas from the classroom ... 
> What they forgot is that every generation has its Rebel! That rebel, Ben 
> Stein (Ferris Bueller’s Day Off) travels the world on his quest, and learns 
> an awe-inspiring truth … that educators and scientists are being ridiculed, 
> denied tenure and even fired – for the crime of merely believing that there 
> might be evidence of design in nature, and that perhaps life is not just 
> the result of accidental, random chance. To which Ben Says: Enough! And 
> then gets busy. NOBODY messes with Ben.
> Philip Benjamin  
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