> On 27 Mar 2021, at 15:52, Philip Benjamin <[email protected]> wrote: > > [Bruno Marchal] > “PPB: Pagan = Pan-Gaia-n, earthling, earth worshipper”. “Interesting. Are you > sure of that etymology? The Neoplatonists were called “pagan” by christians, > but they were those doubting Aristotle’s belief in primary matter, and many > of them where immaterialist, and quite the opposite of the earth > worshippers….. We cannot assume more than very elementary arithmetic. And, > obviously, religion should not be mixed with the state (even more so in a > democracy). That is why theology must come back at the academy of science. > The separation from science was the first step to let it mixed with politics > and state”. > [Philip Benjamin] > The following link gives a more elaborate etymology of PAGAN: > https://www.etymonline.com/word/pagan > <https://www.etymonline.com/word/pagan>.
OK. Thank you. > The GAIA (EARTH) implications are self-evident. Only in our Aristotelian frame. I am agnostic, personally, on such impersonal god. I tend to be skeptical, and I can prove that this hypothesis makes no sense, even if we assume just the amount of mechanism to be able to attribute an explanative power to the theory of evolution. Despite a widespread confusion between Mechanism and Materialism, those are logically incompatible. If I can survive with a digital brain, physics is reduced to the statistic on all computations in arithmetic, structured by the (Gödel-Löb-Solovay) laws of self-reference. > Invisible need not anymore be considered immaterial. Dark-matter and its > possible compounds are invisible, but not immaterial, though here the dark > particles are assumed to be of negligible mass with respect to electrons. Mechanism leads to Plato. What we see, observe, measure is empirically real, but is not primary, and is not material. > America is not a mere Democracy it is first a Republic, then democratic > alright. In a Republic the individual with the law on his side is a > “sovereign”, a concept unknown to most of the pagan world with un-awakened > kundalini consciousness. here the atheist , the pantheist, polytheist, > monotheist, atheist and EVERYBODY has an equal right to the dictates of one’s > conscience within the commonsensically acceptable community standards and > laws. Equal right under the law does not mean equality in essence. No laws > can make un-equals equals. In this Republic one does not have to leave one’s > personal beliefs at the door of any office or institution. Only the > Marxist-Socialist-Fascist- Progressive PAGANS with un-Augustinian un-awakened > consciousness will force such brutal laws on a “sovereign” citizen. Theology must just come back tp the faculty of science, where we can say “we don’t know, but here is the theory and here is the method to empirically refute it”. > Philosophy, religion and science have a common unsolvable problem centered > around causality and aseity. I think it is solved in the mechanist theory, or directly in the theology of the (rich, Löbian) machine. I recall that I call Löbian, the machine which are Turing universal, and believe in enough (sigma_1) induction. R and Q are not Löbian, but PA, ZF, … are. In the ontology, there is no causality different than the material implication (p -> q is the same as not p or q). Then, many phenomenology for causality appears: one for each variants of provability imposed by incompleteness. > Only Biblical Theology starts with an imperative statement without any > apology: “ In the beginning Elohim..”, later amplified as Adonai (plural) > YHWH (singular) Elohim (uni-plural). It is MORE scientific to deal with the > aseity of LIFE than that of dead matter. OK. But probably not for the reason you allude to. With mechanism, there is no “dead matter”, as there is no matter at all. But you might object that there are “dead numbers”, and indeed, any number, when insulated from the other numbers, can be seen as a dead thing. Consciousness comes from the (true) partial computable number relations. Freedom of religion is a non sense/ It leads to the freedom of fake religion, which are technic to steal the money of the people. We can tolerate only the religion consistent with our already accepted theories, or we will just install very intolerant people. We should have the right to sue a teacher who taught that 2+2=5, or that Earth is flat, or that cannabis is more dangerous than alcool. Freedom of religion is a freedom of lying. It is a subtle form of imposed barbarianism…. Bruno > Philip Benjamin > > Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] pagans vs non pagans and the hubbub about > Sabbath in the US Senate > On 26 Mar 2021, at 21:13, Philip Benjamin <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > [Philip Benjamin] > What is all this ballyhoo about Sabbath in the US Senate? A matter of > “awakened or un-awakened INVISIBLE consciousness? If so, what is a valid > candidate for this “invisible matter” other than bio dark-matter with its bio > dark-matter chemistry? Just as light-matter bodies (compounds with chemical > bonds which are spin governed particle configurations of duets and octets) > are electric entropic and decaying, dark-matter bodies (with chemical bonds) > are non-electric, nonentropic and undying. They may be made of dark particles > of negligible mass with respect to electrons. The “light” and “dark” twins > are formed at the very moment of conception. The Augustinian transformation > is then about the invisible “dark” twin > (https://www.prlog.org/12085722-dr-philip-benjamin-explains-the-bio-chemistry-of-our-inner-selves-in-his-latest-book.html > > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.prlog.org%2F12085722-dr-philip-benjamin-explains-the-bio-chemistry-of-our-inner-selves-in-his-latest-book.html&data=04%7C01%7C%7C7ee9478b4ca74203097808d8f101dc4f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637524337587298129%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=C5UTZBs%2FGRjKivQG8dRkRdaYflSoj7UQvkE3it3O06Q%3D&reserved=0>). > History matters for science also. > https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-1/sunday-closing-laws > > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.law.cornell.edu%2Fconstitution-conan%2Famendment-1%2Fsunday-closing-laws&data=04%7C01%7C%7C7ee9478b4ca74203097808d8f101dc4f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637524337587308085%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=%2BuWJyaIv%2FYQhfsfdObIYmoz%2F1CKHUU3mDs3arhbnHaA%3D&reserved=0>. > According to Cornell University (a citadel of Progressivism, Paganism, > globalism etc.): “The history of Sunday Closing Laws goes back into United > States colonial history and far back into English history……………….. > Pagan = Pan-Gaia-n, earthling, earth worshipper > > https://www.etymonline.com/word/pagan <https://www.etymonline.com/word/pagan> > > > [Bruno Marchal]. “Pagan = Pan-Gaia-n, earthling, earth worshipper”. > Interesting. Are you sure of that etymology? The Neoplatonists were called > “pagan” by christians, but they were those doubting Aristotle’s belief in > primary matter, and many of them where immaterialist, and quite the opposite > of the earth worshippers”. > > Weak Materialism (the belief in a primary, or primitively material, physical > universe) is logically contradictory with Digital Mechanism. > Digital Mechanism makes easier to explain the physical laws from a statistics > on relative digital machine’s or number’s first person self-reference than by > any ontological commitment (like some primary Aristotelian “Matter”). > > If “pagan” is Earth or Matter worshipping, then Mechanism is at the extreme > opposite of Pagan. Only numbers exists *fundamentally*, the rest is a sort of > Darwinian consciousness selection on the consistent histories brought by the > computations, which we know to be realised in arithmetic since the key works > by logicians in the 1930s. > > We cannot assume more than very elementary arithmetic. > > And, obviously, religion should not be mixed with the state (even more so in > a democracy). That is why theology must come back at the academy of science. > The separation from science was the first step to let it mixed with politics > and state. > > Bruno > > > > > > > > > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/SA0PR11MB4704886FD2CF635DCCED1658A8609%40SA0PR11MB4704.namprd11.prod.outlook.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/SA0PR11MB4704886FD2CF635DCCED1658A8609%40SA0PR11MB4704.namprd11.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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