That would be of some interest but I think it would fail to communicate
what it is like to be a bat because of the inability to act as a bat.
I'm not sure your brain could learn to interpret visual input if it were
not able to correlate it with touch and movement.
Brent
On 4/11/2021 11:06 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Alternatively, let's do a thought experiment here, a pretend. Pretend
that we are neuroscientists, and that we have lots of research cash
to spend? We have computer engineers at our disposal to design devices
for us. So, we attach some sort of neural probes of highly advanced
design, to bats, and a receiver of the signal to humans. The bats send
and the humans receive, with the help of computer technology,
transceivers, and all the rest. Thus, a human learns at least
somewhat, what it's like to be bat. Sending the info from Human to a
Bat would likely constitute torture, so let's not do that!
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From: Jason Resch <[email protected]>
To: Everything List <[email protected]>
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2021 11:27 am
Subject: Re: BATS (was:Qualia and communicability)
On Sat, Apr 10, 2021, 6:28 AM John Clark <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 6:31 PM Jason Resch <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
/> They {bats} could in some sense even feel the surfaces with
such sonar: is the surface smooth or rough, hard or soft, etc.
Sound reflects differently from different types of surfaces. /
Yes.
/> Would they feel these surface differences as colors, /
What you mean is, wouldthey sense these surface differences as*I
SEE***colors?
/> or would it feel more like tactile sensations? /
What you mean is, would they sense these surface differences as *I
FEEL* surfaces? The answer to both questions is a resounding *NO*.
A particular bat senses surfaces not as you do but as a particular
bat does. The only way Jason Resch Could ever know what it's like
to be a particular bat would be for Jason Resch to turn into that
bat, and even then he wouldn't know because then he wouldn't be
Jason Resch anymore, he'd be a bat. And even a bat doesn't know
what it's like to be another bat.
I agree generally with the idea that bat sonar sense could be
completely alien to both our sight and our touch.
And while I can't know what it's like to be a bat anymore than a bat
can know what it's like to be me, we can't rule out the existence of
super-states of consciousness, perhaps possessed by Jupiter brains,
which would be able to simultaneously hold in mind and compare
different brain states, just as our vision can simultaneously look
upon two faces and compare them.
If you could be this supermind then you might be able to know what
it's like to be a bat and how that's different from being John.
Jason
John K Clark
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