On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 11:36:16 AM UTC-6 medinuclear wrote:
> Yes, “that something has existence;” if existence here means “theoretical” > or “mathematical” or “statistical” not ontological. “Doesn't mean we know > exactly what it is”, is true if that knowledge is necessarily ontological. > A *calculated* wavelength of a particulate matter particle with mass does > not imply the reality of massless waves. No such transmutations ever occur > in the physical realm. Philip Benjamin > > It's NOT theoretical. It's real! That's why electron microscopes work. We don't know exactly why or how they work, but they DO work, and so do de Broglie waves; they EXIST and have ontological status. You exist, and others as well, and we also don't know exactly how or why, but you and others also have ontological status. I can't waste any more time on your mis-understandingS. AG > *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On > Behalf Of *Alan Grayson > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 13, 2021 11:57 AM > *To:* Everything List <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: Massive Particles & Massless Waves: Behaving ≠ Being > > > > > > On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 9:30:09 AM UTC-6 medinuclear wrote: > > *[Philip Benjamin] * > > Particles of matter with mass also BHAVE as waves [AS IF mass-less] with a > wavelength, p=h/λ, first proposed by de Broglie, where p is momentum. > Matter PARTICLE is found to have interference PROPERTIES AS IF any other > wave. *AS IF Logic ≠* *BOTH & Fallacy Behaving ≠ Being. *Behaving is a > PROPERTY which can be epistemically understood. Being is ontology which is > beyond the scope of finite sciences and finite brains, howsoever brilliant > the brains be. One need not confound *being *with *behaving*. > > > > Stop wasting bandwidth here! If something produces a measurable effect, > such as de Broglie waves in an electron microscope, that something has > existence; that is, it has ontological status. Doesn't mean we know exactly > what it is. AG > > The relationship between momentum and wavelength is fundamental for all > PARTICLES (with MASS). That does not TRANSMUTE massive particles into > massless waves, even in any microscope!! Electrons were the first particles > with mass to be directly established to have the de Broglie wavelength. > Protons, helium nuclei, neutrons, and many others have been observed later > to display interference patterns when they interact with objects having > masses but sizes similar to their de Broglie wavelengths. > > Wolfgang Pauli (brilliant occultist-physicist) truly believed some of the > views that Einstein accused Bohr with. He hypothesized a “lucid mysticism,” > a synthesis between rationality and religion, and speculated that quantum > theory could unify the psychological/scientific and philosophical/mystical > approaches to consciousness. Philosopher and addict of Eastern mysticisms > Arthur Schopenhauer, whose views on reality were in turn influenced by > Eastern religions convinced Pauli of quantum mysticism. Planck considered > religion (Christianity) and science compatible based on his opinion that > they are both based on objectivity but refer to distinct facets of reality. > Meanwhile, Paul Dirac rejected any kind of religious vocabulary, arguing > that “religion is a jumble of false assertions with no basis in reality.” > > *Philip Benjamin* > > *References*. > > Juan Miguel Marin https://phys.org/news/2009-06-quantum-mysticism- > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fphys.org%2Fnews%2F2009-06-quantum-mysticism-&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccfa363cdd779464a992908d8fe9d2bce%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637539298280237641%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=E0UaBHM5Cl4QjdAp3dEzhbptUX1nzpAwIQne6QzPSXA%3D&reserved=0>forgotten.html. > > . “’Mysticism’ in quantum mechanics: the forgotten controversy.” European > Journal of Physics. 30 (2009) 807-822. > > > > Morton Tolball. > https://mortentolboll.weebly.com/quantum-mechanics-and-the-philosophy-of-niels-bohr.html > > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmortentolboll.weebly.com%2Fquantum-mechanics-and-the-philosophy-of-niels-bohr.html&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccfa363cdd779464a992908d8fe9d2bce%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637539298280242618%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=co4TpDcbvaRHqvhUZKJOVXs%2BxT8YxcLRQ2TS%2BEhZQnU%3D&reserved=0> > > Bohr shows, that light in some experiments behaves, as if it is particles, > and in others as if it is waves. And here we have the foundation for the > next misinterpretation, that goes on, that it is the consciousness of the > physicist, which affects the light. This has led to the misunderstanding in > the public, that quantum mechanics should imply, that there isn´t given any > objective or true description of the physical reality, consequently that it > is the human consciousness, which produces the phenomena: subjectivism. The > same misunderstanding characterizes by the way also Einstein´s theory of > relativity, that this should support relativism. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/317061eb-ca42-49ce-a520-821619f34cd7n%40googlegroups.com > > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Feverything-list%2F317061eb-ca42-49ce-a520-821619f34cd7n%2540googlegroups.com%3Futm_medium%3Demail%26utm_source%3Dfooter&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccfa363cdd779464a992908d8fe9d2bce%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637539298280247597%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=edSygPSNoVKZTMNwFv2Kb8C7tmgN9YyDm0nHFxhegp4%3D&reserved=0> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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