On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 9:17 PM Brent Meeker <meekerbr...@gmail.com> wrote:

*>  is this neo-nazism real or is Putin's propaganda?*


I'm sure there are neo-Nazis in Ukraine, there are plenty in the USA too.
And for every American Nazi there are 10 that, if not out and out Nazis,
are what I would diplomatically call "Nazi curious"; just look at QAnon and
its doppelgänger the Republican party.
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>
> On 4/17/2022 9:09 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>
> Am So, 17. Apr 2022, um 16:17, schrieb spudboy100 via Everything List:
>
>
> I am asking Telmo to sort of give back with a short sense of what you feel
> and think about Sweden deciding to join NATO. This would include Finland as
> well, despite Putin's threats. This is an open placation so anyone can
> answer, but it'd be better than a Yank coughing out our ideologies. Anyone
> from the EU or anywhere else is sure welcome to give forth opinions on
> this. Where does this leave you and your family and friends? With regard to
> Putin, what do you need?
>
>
> I'm not sure that my opinion matters, or if it is representative of
> anything, but here it goes:
>
> I'm completely in favor of Sweden and Finland joining NATO. In fact, I
> always saw them as "de facto" members. They are both member states of the
> EU, so I believe that a direct aggression to any of these countries by
> Russia would mean direct military engagement of the west, NATO or no NATO.
> There's no way France, for example, would just stand buy and watch Putin
> bite a chunk out of the EU. And I believe Putin believes the same.
>
> To be honest, until recently I assumed that Sweden and Finland were not
> NATO members for cultural reasons. Perhaps a certain Nordic sense of
> independence. I now realize that this was mostly an appeasement strategy
> toward Russia. In this case I am still in favor of them joining, because I
> do not believe anymore that Putin can be appeased.
>
>
> I wonder if the Finns would like to take back the territory Russia took
> from them in the 1940 Winter War?
>
>
> To be honest, I am much more worried about Ukraine joining the EU hastily.
> It is a huge country and I suspect it is still quite far away from economic
> and even cultural alignment with the EU. I mean, let's be honest, they have
> a neonazi gang as an official government force (the Azov battalion).
>
>
> How is that consistent with electing a Jew president?  I realize the Jews
> in Ukraine were persecuted under Stalin and many emigrated to Israel when
> the USSR collapsed.  But is this neo-nazism real or is Putin's propaganda?
>
> Brent
>
> I believe that granting them membership to early could put the EU project
> under immense stress (of the sort already posed by Hungary, but to a much
> larger degree) -- this possibly combined with the perfect storm of the
> German economy collapsing in the face of the unavoidable step of suspending
> all gas imports from Russia and the possible election of Le Pen in France
> (which could mean that the EU would then have one of its most powerful
> member states working against its interests from the inside).
>
> At the same time, perhaps this is just one of those moments were History
> will not wait and the only option is to rise to the occasion. It is also
> true that the EU seems to grow from each crisis it survives.
>
> More generally, I think that all of us (the west), with all of our flaws,
> represent a way of life that is opposed by the powerful dictatorships of
> Russia and China. If we value and wish to protect this way of life, we must
> stick together and be smart.
>
>
>
> Caveat: I will probably respond to your thoughts on all this, though I
> will try to do so respectfully, which will be a first for me. My reason is
> I feel I need a different perspective from people living closer to the
> fighting.
>
>
> Of course.
>
> I don't feel like I am "close to the fighting" in any way. There's still
> Poland between me and the war. I am living my perfectly normal life.
> Perhaps I just feel a bit more grateful than usual for this normalcy.
>
> The only way in which I feel close to the events is by the presence of
> refugees in my neighborhood. Many cars with Ukrainian license plates
> around. A hotel around the corner from my house has been turned into a
> temporary refugee center. A lot of people donate food, clothes, etc. Some
> of them like to play table tennis with the locals in the park nearby.
>
> Otherwise, please continue with quantum modal realism and if Alice & Bob
> teleport between London and Moscow, will they be arrested by the FSB?
>
>
> Yes and no. :)
>
> Be well spud (and everyone else!)
> T.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
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>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 7:59 PM <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> *> Rather than deny my assertions you have reinforced them JC. Stalin
> cannot hurt you if one is Stalin.*
>
>
> Stalin cannot hurt you if Stalin is dead, and there can be no doubt that
> Stalin has reached thermal equilibrium with his environment. This dictator
> is no more. He has ceased to be. He's expired and gone to meet his maker.
> He's a stiff. Bereft of life, he rests in peace. He's pushing up the
> daisies. His metabolic processes are now history. He's kicked the bucket.
> He shuffled off this mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the
> bleedin choir invisible! THIS IS AN EX-DICTATOR!!
>
>
>
> *> I would go so far as to say that sans, Barrack, Donald would never have
> taken off.*
>
>
> That's probably true, backlash put Donald in power because there were two
> things about Obama that most Republicans could never forgive, his skin was
> black, and there was a "D" next to his name not an "R".
>
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