Much thanks Telmo for your informative reply. At this level of society, for I
suspect neither of us are "elites," it's important to trade information,
scientific for sure, but also societal, too, as this Black Swan event that
Putin started years ago, and made 10 X worse this February.
Much thanks,
Mitch
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From: Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.net>
To: Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Apr 17, 2022 12:09 pm
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It. "Come in
Telmo! America to Telmo!!"
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16:17, schrieb spudboy100 via Everything List:
I am asking Telmo to sort of give back with a short sense of what you feel and
think about Sweden deciding to join NATO. This would include Finland as well,
despite Putin's threats. This is an open placation so anyone can answer, but
it'd be better than a Yank coughing out our ideologies. Anyone from the EU or
anywhere else is sure welcome to give forth opinions on this. Where does this
leave you and your family and friends? With regard to Putin, what do you need?
I'm not sure that my opinion matters, or if it is representative of anything,
but here it goes:
I'm completely in favor of Sweden and Finland joining NATO. In fact, I always
saw them as "de facto" members. They are both member states of the EU, so I
believe that a direct aggression to any of these countries by Russia would mean
direct military engagement of the west, NATO or no NATO. There's no way France,
for example, would just stand buy and watch Putin bite a chunk out of the EU.
And I believe Putin believes the same.
To be honest, until recently I assumed that Sweden and Finland were not NATO
members for cultural reasons. Perhaps a certain Nordic sense of independence. I
now realize that this was mostly an appeasement strategy toward Russia. In this
case I am still in favor of them joining, because I do not believe anymore that
Putin can be appeased.
To be honest, I am much more worried about Ukraine joining the EU hastily. It
is a huge country and I suspect it is still quite far away from economic and
even cultural alignment with the EU. I mean, let's be honest, they have a
neonazi gang as an official government force (the Azov battalion). I believe
that granting them membership to early could put the EU project under immense
stress (of the sort already posed by Hungary, but to a much larger degree) --
this possibly combined with the perfect storm of the German economy collapsing
in the face of the unavoidable step of suspending all gas imports from Russia
and the possible election of Le Pen in France (which could mean that the EU
would then have one of its most powerful member states working against its
interests from the inside).
At the same time, perhaps this is just one of those moments were History will
not wait and the only option is to rise to the occasion. It is also true that
the EU seems to grow from each crisis it survives.
More generally, I think that all of us (the west), with all of our flaws,
represent a way of life that is opposed by the powerful dictatorships of Russia
and China. If we value and wish to protect this way of life, we must stick
together and be smart.
Caveat: I will probably respond to your thoughts on all this, though I will try
to do so respectfully, which will be a first for me. My reason is I feel I need
a different perspective from people living closer to the fighting.
Of course.
I don't feel like I am "close to the fighting" in any way. There's still Poland
between me and the war. I am living my perfectly normal life. Perhaps I just
feel a bit more grateful than usual for this normalcy.
The only way in which I feel close to the events is by the presence of refugees
in my neighborhood. Many cars with Ukrainian license plates around. A hotel
around the corner from my house has been turned into a temporary refugee
center. A lot of people donate food, clothes, etc. Some of them like to play
table tennis with the locals in the park nearby.
Otherwise, please continue with quantum modal realism and if Alice & Bob
teleport between London and Moscow, will they be arrested by the FSB?
Yes and no. :)
Be well spud (and everyone else!)
T.
Thanks!
-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com>
To: spudboy...@aol.com
Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com <everything-list@googlegroups.com>;
meekerbr...@gmail.com <meekerbr...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Apr 17, 2022 6:28 am
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.
On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 7:59 PM <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote:
> Rather than deny my assertions you have reinforced them JC. Stalin cannot
> hurt you if one is Stalin.
Stalin cannot hurt you if Stalin is dead, and there can be no doubt that Stalin
has reached thermal equilibrium with his environment. This dictator is no more.
He has ceased to be. He's expired and gone to meet his maker. He's a stiff.
Bereft of life, he rests in peace. He's pushing up the daisies. His metabolic
processes are now history. He's kicked the bucket. He shuffled off this mortal
coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin choir invisible! THIS IS AN
EX-DICTATOR!!
> I would go so far as to say that sans, Barrack, Donald would never have taken
> off.
That's probably true, backlash put Donald in power because there were two
things about Obama that most Republicans could never forgive, his skin was
black, and there was a "D" next to his name not an "R".
John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis
obf
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