On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 6:17:22 PM UTC-6 [email protected] wrote:

> Ok, thanks for your response, AG. You are forecasting that the EU and or 
> the US and Canada will continue to send, antitank and anti-aircraft 
> missiles into Ukraine. Are you concerned that this will be successful, even 
> with a Russian onslaught against the insertion of these into the Ukraine?  
> Do you see a Russian attempt to wreck NATO countries via a conventional 
> roll forward as with the Soviets and the Fulda Gap push? The notion that 
> the demoralized Russian soldiers just stopping the madness on their own, 
> goes against what the Soviets did in WW2. The NKVD has their own barrage 
> battalions of troops to ensure that no Russian soldier retreated from the 
> front line. So why not FSB or GRU troops today?  
>
> Now using Sarin or Tabun or Soman or VX against the Ukrainians would 
> seemingly be countered by the Ukrainian troops fighting in donated tox 
> suits, and the strategy would then bring the fighting as quick as possible 
> to the Russian troops. This, guaranteeing a mix of those fighting protected 
> versus unprotected. I am suspecting that outside of Spetznaz, most Russian 
> draftees will no be so protected? 
>
> I will still hold open the possibility of giving Vlad an out, but you 
> could be totally accurate regarding the Russkie mindset. I am not sure what 
> circumstances would produce an ouster of Vlad, if such is even conceivable? 
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Grayson <[email protected]>
> To: Everything List <[email protected]>
> Sent: Mon, Apr 25, 2022 7:26 pm
> Subject: Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule
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>
> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:19:07 PM UTC-6 [email protected] wrote:
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> Hmm. You AG obviously haven't seen the state of education today with its 
> corrosive, racial, and sexually preferenced faith movements? The 
> mentioning of the Missiles of October moment and predicting the outcome is 
> an interesting claim. Me, being a wimp, except when its time to retaliate, 
> would have demurred from JFK's placing of Jupiter missiles in Turkey. A 
> provocation, yet what do I call Khrushchev's walling up of Berlin in 1961? 
> Monday morning quarterbacking is what I do, and today is a monday. For 
> Putin, as JC has objected to, I'd offer Putin the right to place hypersonic 
> missiles in "Cuber," ah, Cuba like in 1962. Why? Face saving for Putin 
> with the Russian establishment and population, in exchange for Ukraine 
> withdrawal, and a Neutrality agreement, with whomever? 
>
>
> This won't work in the present situation. Firstly, Putin will never 
> willingly withdraw. And it was already tried! Remember the Budapest 
> Memoranum of 1994? The Russians can't be trusted, and any agreement 
> allowing any territorial concessions would be Munich 2.0. In this situation 
> the Russians will regroup and try another day to conquer Ukraine. The only 
> answer is to continue the fight until the Russians realize that tanks, 
> towed and self-propelled artillery are obsolete against Javalins, INLAWS, 
> etc. and counter-battery artillery. Eventually, the Russian soldiers will 
> become so demoralized that they'll refuse to fight. Putin will likely use 
> chemical weapons and blame the Ukrainians for their use. But it won't be 
> decisive, and IMO tactical nukes will probably not be used. AG
>

I meant  NLAW,   https://special-ops.org/nlaw-the-ultimate-tank-killer/
I don't think the experience of WW2 is particularly relevant to the current 
situation where Russia is the invader. AG

>
> My idea is, how many times can ya kill us, if once suffices? This doesn't 
> mean we turn the other cheek, and yes since Putin + Xi want an arms race, 
> we should oblige them. 
>
> Russian,  Sarmat (ICBM) and and Khinzal (cruise hypersonic) weapons, also 
> a pride booster.Yeah, Cub-er!
>
>
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/sebastienroblin/2022/02/08/russia-deploys-hypersonic-missile-to-baltic-in-range-of-nato-capitols/?sh=4401e0be217e
>
> On the Udder Hand said da Cow...
>
>
> https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/02/07/us-china-russia-biden-hypersonic-missile-defense-pentagon/
>
> I also read a lot from Brian Wang's website Next Big Future for both bio, 
> med, energy, and weapons, foreign policy goings on. He keeps and eye on 
> things. But this too, is a reco from an aggressive schmuck as myself, who 
> looks at things in a nuanced and not necessarily, ideological. Balanced, 
> no, nuanced, yes.  
>
>
>
>
> Nothing humble about you. Sagan was my boss for 18 months. I never claimed 
> he was a friend. What university did you attend? I am a Cornell graduate, 
> School of Arts and Sciences. I had a physics course with Philip Morrison. 
> During the Cuban Missile Crisis I correctly predicted the outcome, but 
> still got a "gentleman's" C in my course on International Relations. That's 
> Cornell (at its worst). AG
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Grayson <[email protected]>
> To: Everything List <[email protected]>
> Sent: Mon, Apr 25, 2022 1:20 pm
> Subject: Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule
>
>
> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 10:55:56 AM UTC-6 [email protected] wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 12:46 PM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> *> Any publications? Any degrees? You must have done SOMETHING!  Time to 
> come clean. AG *
>
>
> Nothing special. Unlike you I never cleaned to work at JPL and I was 
> never best friends with Carl Sagan, I'm just a humble electrical engineer 
> and bookworm. But at least I know you need to obtain hypersonic speed to 
> get into orbit, and flying saucer men in Roswell New Mexico do not excite 
> me.  
>
> John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
> <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>
>
>
> Nothing humble about you. Sagan was my boss for 18 months. I never claimed 
> he was a friend. What university did you attend? I am a Cornell graduate, 
> School of Arts and Sciences. I had a physics course with Philip Morrison. 
> During the Cuban Missile Crisis I correctly predicted the outcome, but 
> still got a "gentleman's" C in my course on International Relations. That's 
> Cornell (at its worst). AG
>
>
> csb
>
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