Doesn't the pain state require something that imitates the human amygdala?
-----Original Message----- From: John Clark <[email protected]> To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Jun 14, 2022 7:21 am Subject: Re: WOW, it looks like the technological singularity is just about here! On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 9:42 PM Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote: > Without a body can a program feel pain? Of course. All that's needed is for a brain to enter a pain state, and that is a state that a brain will do everything it can think of to get out of and get into a different state, ANY different state. Having a pain state can be very useful for an organism to have, that's why evolution invented it, but like everything else in biology it can go wrong, and thus humans can sometimes have intense pain in phantom limbs that have been amputated and no longer even have. > Computers used to have little LED arrays so you could look at them and tell > they were working hard. If your job involved physical labor you could simply measure the energy you were expending by observing how many boulders you manage to roll up the hill. If your job didn't involve physical labor (and these days most jobs don't) but you were successfully solving problems assigned to you at a faster rate than you or your boss expected then wouldn't both of you say you were "working hard"? John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis bmb z23 I think it will turn out that making an AI as intelligent as a human will be much easier than most people think. I say that because we already know there is an upper limit on how complex a learning algorithm would need to be to make that happen, and it's pretty small. In the entire human genome there are only 3 billion base pairs. There are 4 bases so each base can represent 2 bits, there are 8 bits per byte so that comes out to just 750 meg, and that's enough assembly instructions to make not just a brain and all its wiring but an entire human baby. So the instructions MUST contain wiring instructions such as "wire a neuron up this way and then repeat that procedure exactly the same way 917 billion times". And there is a HUGE amount of redundancy in the human genome, so if you used a file compression program like ZIP on that 750 meg you could easily put the entire thing on a CD, not a DVD not a Blu ray just a old fashioned steam powered vanilla CD, and you'd still have plenty of room leftover. And the thing I'm talking about, the seed learning algorithm for intelligence, must be vastly smaller than that, and that's the thing that let Einstein go from knowing precisely nothing in 1879 to becoming the first person in the world to understand General Relativity in 1915. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv1J2AeWWGW5UuXCn-WS8uQwEE1PBE-rqVotCbyNkoqiNA%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/401836003.2213102.1655257592120%40mail.yahoo.com.
