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[Philip Benjamin]
All evidences seem to indicate tis is a human problem, no animals
areagitated over fictitious deities. None of the rplies address the real human
problem. The brains of most animals are not all that different from humans’.
You may shift the problem to neural patterns etc., but that does not answer the
question, why? What, nor even how, is not the subject here. Existence is
antecedent to experience. Awakened experience follows awakened existence. That
is how Augustine, a pagan, hedonist scholar in Platonism became an exegete of
Theology ( centered around Adonai of the Patriarchs, Prophets and the Apostles)!
Philip Benjamin
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" How can fictitious deities really do anything at all?"
But they do, because what we believe in we become. Belief is the most important
thing we have, it creates civilisations, buildings, behaviour, art, food,
literature, plays, music, poems, ethics, morals ............. Take away a man's
house and car and he will be upset for a while. But take away his beliefs and
you destroy him.
Imposing belief systems is as destructive as waging war on them. You kill their
spirit.
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[Olaf Stapledon]
” The fictitious deities of all races in all worlds once more crowded
themselves upon me,…”
[Philip Benjamin]
This is off the thread here. However, I will try to retain the thought. Prof
Olaf is fundamentally wrong here and logically inconsistent. How can fictitious
deities really do anything at all? Human life ( for that matter any life) is
more than a bunch of fundamental particles. That is why even unreal and
fictitious deities occupy human minds! How could any race or individual
intrinsically come up with any fictitious notions of a friendly or hostile
deity? Why can’t any mind be absolutely blank of any such thinking? He looks
like endorsing one of those Israeli/Jewish women of Jeremiah’s days who said: ”
As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will
not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goes forth out
of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out
drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and
our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then
had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil”.
The word pagan got into Queen’s English not by the KJV, instead heathen is used
by KJV for anything outside the domain of Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular)
Elohim (uni-plural). See Joshua 24:2. Even Terah, the father of Abraham, and
the father of Nachor had one of those deities.They were all heathen/pagan.
Regeneration from old heathenism to new-creation in Adonai is what Apostolic or
Augustinian transformation is all about. Like it or not, That, not Prof. Olaf
Stapledon, is what distinguished the nonconformist West in general from the
rest of the world which conformed to various deities of various races, peoples
and nations—including Jungian sorceries, occultism of Monk Rasputin, Madame
Blavatsky etc.
Philip Benjamin
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You know Philip I think it is rather difficult not to love the earth, but it is
possible to love the earth and trust the God who created it and will destroy
it. …. There is one writer who seemed to sum up this form of duality – Olaf
Stapledon, a science fiction writer and University lecturer: Two related quotes
…… The fictitious deities of all races in all worlds once more crowded
themselves upon me, symbols of majesty and tenderness, of ruthless power, of
blind creativity and of all seeing wisdom. And though their images were but the
fantasies of created minds, it seemed to me that one and all did indeed embody
some true features of the Star Maker's impact.
...........................................
Suddenly it was clear to me that virtue in the Creator is not the same as
virtue in the Creation. For the Creator if he should love his creation would be
loving only a part of himself, but the creation praising the creator praises an
infinity beyond himself. The virtue of the creation was to love and to worship.
The virtue of the Creator was to create and to be infinite, the unrealisable
and incomprehensible goal of worshipping creatures. …….. It is enough to have
been created, to have embodied for a moment the infinite and tumultuously
creative spirit …. to have been the rough sketch for some perfected creation.
Professor Stapledon was much admired in his day …. “Stapledon was hostile to
religious institutions, but not to religious yearnings”.
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John Clark]
“´.... Give me an example of something, anything, that is NOT pagan…. “.
[Philip Benjamin]
This is a reasonable question, though the problem was defined for over over 20
years wherever that was allowed, though the WAMP (often Marxists) despotically
forbids.
WAMP is generally speaking a self-description, if anybody wants to join, most
welcome!! The name “John” meaning ”Jah (YHWH) is gracious” is not of pagan
origin, that does not necessarily mean that anybody with that name is not a
Gaia centered conformist. Pagan comes from Pan-Gaia-n, i.e. earth centered,
earth worshippers, by extension the doctrinaire environmentalists and the
pseudo-climatologists.
A “transformed consciousness” is what the Prophet describes as: “And I will
give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove
the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh”. Ezekiel
36:26. Earth-centeredness is unavoidable for all earthlings, “none good” (Psalm
14:3; Romans 3:12; Luke 18:19) even in an “awakened consciousness”, or
Augustinian transformation (“Two Great Awakenings for example”). Rabbi Saul of
Tarsus put it this way expressing his great frustration after transformation on
the Damascus road: Romans 7:24. “ O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver
me from the body of this death”?
Only the products (Marxists) of WAMP-the-Ingrate can claim to be “good”!! For
science today Ezekiel’s “new heart” or the “inner man” of the Apostles refers
to the “dark matter body” with its chemistry vis-à-ˈvis its “light matter twin”
cocreated at conception.
Philip Benjamin
Notes:
Jeremiah 17:9.“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked:
who can know it?”
Romans chs. 1—3. Total corruption of mankindMark 7: 21. “For from within, out
of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder,
adultery, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit,
lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:”
Ezekiel 36:26. “And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put
within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a
heart of flesh”.
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On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 9:38 AM Philip Benjamin
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> Paganism with un-awakened consciousness in diverse forms rules about 90% of
> the globe including today’s Europe and America—atheism, humanism, animism,
> polytheism, pantheism, cabalism, Marxism, Socialism, Fascism, Satanism,
> Statism, Collective Capitalism, Neo-Liberalism, anti-individualism, New Age,
> Identity Politics, etc. One has to cut off from reality not to mention
> paganism in describing the present state of human minds.
“Is Christianity paganism, if not why not, and if it is then give me an example
of something, anything, that is NOT pagan. Saying everything is pagan is
equivalent to saying nothing is pagan because meaning needs contrast” John
Clark.
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Dear Philip,
Mr Clark's reply [he cannot be a doctor or professor surely?] is absolutely
spot on - because he has defined what a WAMP is by his own reply!! There is
- Sarcasm - Wow you're doing better, you were able to write 28 whole words
before you felt obligated [sic] to use the word "pagan"!
- Abuse - but pretty soon you may be able to write an entire sentence without
using "pagan",
- Insult - It would be science-fiction to imagine you could ever write an
entire post without using it
- Condescension - but I'm curious, does that word have any meeting [sic] for
you other than someone who believes in a very slightly different type of
religious idiocy than the type of religious idiocy you believe in?
- Arrogance/Ignorance And by the way, if you put a gun to my head I couldn't
tell you who or what "WAMP-the-Ingrate" is.
This is a WAMP! An arrogant, dismissive, condescending, abusive individual who
uses sarcasm as a form of argument, as well as insult and abuse. And yet is
unable to spell or use grammatically correct English!!
"Obligated" means "require or compel (someone) to undertake a legal or moral
duty". I think he may mean obliged and he has mis-spelt meeting because I
suspect he means 'meaning'.
I can even add extra characteristics - they shout louder than you to get their
point heard, they rarely listen, or even if they appear to be listening, they
ignore what has been said completely or choose to misinterpret it. If any
opinion is expressed contrary to their own they either pretend they haven't
heard or have the person banned [from facebook, from youtube, from forums
....... ] and they do all this without ever bothering to even look for what was
really said [And by the way, if you put a gun to my head I couldn't tell you
who or what "WAMP-the-Ingrate" is]
Crumbs, do I know this person!!!! This is a WAMP!!!!!
You keep going Philip, your opinion is equal to anyone else's and considering
you have never done any of these things - insult, abuse, etc - I think you can
claim a great number of house points over those that do.
And by your persistence we now have a really good example [Mr Clark] of what a
WAMP does and is!!
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Subject: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College
[Philip Benjamin]
Paganism with un-awakened consciousness in diverse forms rules about 90% of the
globe including today’s Europe and America—atheism, humanism, animism,
polytheism, pantheism, cabalism, Marxism, Socialism, Fascism, Satanism,
Statism, Collective Capitalism, Neo-Liberalism, anti-individualism, New Age,
Identity Politics, etc. One has to cut off from reality not to mention paganism
in describing the present state of human minds.
Philip Benjamin
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On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 1:24 PM Philip Benjamin
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> WAMP-the-Ingrate did not and could not exist in the 1700’s! Today’s
> WAMP-the-Ingrate will certainly have New York and California (two lawless BIG
> Marxist mostly pagan [...]
Wow you're doing better, you were able to write 28 whole words before you felt
obligated to use the word "pagan"! It would be science-fiction to imagine you
could ever write an entire post without using it but pretty soon you may be
able to write an entire sentence without using "pagan", but I'm curious, does
that word have any meeting for you other than someone who believes in a very
slightly different type of religious idiocy than the type of religious idiocy
you believe in? And by the way, if you put a gun to my head I couldn't tell you
who or what "WAMP-the-Ingrate" is.
John K Clark
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