On Sun, May 21, 2023 at 9:18 PM <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote: >*I can name 3 for ya. * > *1. Roger Penrose. Oxford, right?* >
Wrong. About 25 years ago Roger Penrose suggested that microtubules inside of neurons might be involved in quantum computing (he didn't say how) which helped to tell the neuron when to fire, but since that time not a particle of evidence has surfaced in support of the idea and conditions are so hot and chaotic inside a microtube it's very hard to see how it could be true. But even in the unlikely event it turned out to be correct it wouldn't contradict anything that Sean Carroll has been saying because we've already been able to make small Quantum Computers and we didn't need new laws of physics or changes to the Standard Model Of Particle Physics or of General Relativity to do so. In fact if it had turned out that Quantum Computing was impossible then that *WOULD* have required a change in our understanding of the fundamental laws of physics. *> 2. Christianne Mornais Smith* > I've never heard of her before but I looked her up and apparently she believes that the brain’s neural system forms an intricate network and that the consciousness this produces should obey the rules of quantum mechanics. But that's not very controversial, in fact it's a bit of a platitude. *EVERYTHING* obeys quantum mechanics. > > 3. *Henry Stapp of course.* > I've never heard of him either but according to Google he believes that classical physics cannot describe the brain, and thinks that a quantum framework is needed for a full explanation. Well duh, a quantum framework is required for a full explanation of *ANYTHING*. *> For Carroll and the Multiverse? I am ok with materialism or dualism as > long as it works well? * > If you had read Carroll's Book on the subject or even bothered to watch the video that I recommended (which of course you did not do) you would know that his views about the Multiverse have *NOTHING* to do with his idea of how the brain works. > *> The only appeal of the Multiverse is more fun for everyone.* > The only appeal of the Multiverse is that unlike its competitors it has *NOTHING* to do with consciousness and so does not need to open that can of worms. > *Of course if you really want to define consciousness, you were claiming > pantheism as ChatGpt4 being conscious, correct?* > Let me put it this way, the evidence I have that GPT-4 is conscious is just as strong as the evidence I have that you are conscious. That's because we have never met so the only evidence I have about either of you is the string of ASCII characters that you and GPT-4 have produced. John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> f7z 8eg > > What on earth are you talking about?! Carroll specifically says that the > Many Worlds idea has NOTHING to do with consciousness, and for me that has > always been one of its great appeals, unlike Copenhagen Many Worlds does > not need to explain consciousness because it has nothing to do with it. If > Many Worlds was proved or disproved tomorrow nobody's idea about > consciousness would need to be changed one bit. > > > > *> Other physicists and scientists have opined that maybe "mind" does > "influence" what goes on in these 3 apparent dimensions. * > > > Name those physicists. The Standard Model of Particle Physics and General > Relativity both completely ignore "mind", so why are the predictions they > make so amazingly good? > > > 8gg > > > > > > In this video Sean Carroll makes a very strong case that new laws of > physics will not help us understand consciousness or how the brain works: > > > Quantum Mechanics Limits our knowledge of Universe > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjX6ZYofkhw> > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv1qEjEeS_FNdao6HWx5iRf953LjCKAUnR0ZpT4sQ-JeCQ%40mail.gmail.com.
