Incidentally, I read yesterday that William Shatner is hugely skeptical about aliens coming hundred or thousands of light years from Earth, only to remain anonymous. I suppose he has a point, but maybe they're local, say natural residents on one of the moons of Jupiter or Saturn. What offends me about your view of aliens, is that it's *unscientific *but implicitly claims to be otherwise*. * The fact is about 5% of the sightings are inexplicable. Sagan also fell into that trap. I recall a dinner I had with him (and his 2nd wife) where that pov controlled his negative conclusion. AG
On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 11:44:45 AM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote: > Yes, because you believe *YOU* are conscious and we're similarly > constituted; that is, created by a virtually identical process. But for > computers to be conscious, implies those who built them somehow *stumbled > *onto constructing a living entity without knowing what life or living > is. Most improbable IMO. AG > > On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 10:24:20 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote: > >> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 11:06 AM Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> *> AFAIK, all attempts to create life in a test tube have failed.* >> >> >> Artificial life made in lab can grow and divide like natural bacteria >> <https://www.newscientist.com/article/2272899-artificial-life-made-in-lab-can-grow-and-divide-like-natural-bacteria/> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> *> Am I supposed to believe that computer scientists have created >>> conscious entities even though they have zero understanding of what >>> consciousness is? AG* >> >> >> Am I supposed to believe that you are conscious even though I have zero >> understanding of what your consciousness is? >> >> >> John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis >> <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> >> >> yvc >> >> >> >> >> 868 >>>> >>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/09c4b14a-18b4-4891-8b3c-c58ac52042d2n%40googlegroups.com.
