# Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

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On 11/29/2023 8:21 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
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On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 9:57 PM Brent Meeker <meekerbr...@gmail.com> wrote:

On 11/29/2023 4:58 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
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On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 7:17 PM Bruce Kellett
<bhkellet...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 10:49 PM Stathis Papaioannou
<stath...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 12:34, Bruce Kellett
<bhkellet...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 12:02 PM Stathis Papaioannou
<stath...@gmail.com> wrote:

The Born rule allows you to calculate the
probability of what outcome you will see in a
Universe where all outcomes occur.

You are still conflating incompatible theories. The
Born rule is a rule for calculating probabilities
from the wave function -- it says nothing about
worlds or existence. MWI is a theory about the
existence of many worlds. These theories are
incompatible, and should not be conflated.

“The Born rule is a rule for calculating probabilities
from the wave function -- it says nothing about worlds or
existence”  -and- “MWI is a theory about the existence of
many worlds” are not incompatible statements.

Perhaps that is the wrong way to look at it. The linearity of
the Schrodinger equation implies that the individuals on all
branches are the same: there is nothing to distinguish one of
them as "you" and the others as mere shadows or zombies. In
other words, they are all "you". So you are the person on the
branch with all spins up and your probability of seeing this
result is one, since this branch certainly exists, and, by
linearity, "you" are the individual on that branch. This is
inconsistent with the claim that the Born rule gives the
probability that "you" will see some particular result. As we
have seen, the probability that "you" will see all ups in
one, whereas the Born probability for this result is 1/2^N.
These probability estimates are incompatible.

According to relativity you exist in all times across your
lifespan (and all times are equally really).
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Sez Einstein, Minkowski, C.W. Rietdijk, Kip Thorne, Briane Greene, and Roger Penrose, to name a few.
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Yes I'm sure you can find some Platonist to cite.  Do you think that your future world-line exists?
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far too seriously.

You agreed with this at one point in time.
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Can you quote me?

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In any case, it's not a mere image, but a well accepted implication of relativity.
```Then you must believe that your future is as fixed as your past.

Brent

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```See:

For references.
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