Yes, I've figured out that is what is going on, which is why I asked John for his definition of a Turing machine which apparently is a machine that reads a symbol from a tape, writes a symbol, and moves to another point on the tape in accordance with a fixed table of rules, and beginning with  an infinite tape that is blank except for a finite initial part.  Turing proved that there is such a machine (actually a whole class) that, depending on the initial part of the tape can compute anything that's computable, and these are called Universal Turing Machines, and I assumed those were the only ones of interest and left off the "universal".  Is there anything interesting about non-universal tape-reading-typing machines?

Brent

On 7/15/2024 10:26 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Again you're arguing past one another, Brent conflate UTM with a turing machine, but not all turing machines are UTM (universal), but any UTM can emulate any other turing machine.

Quentin

Le mar. 16 juil. 2024, 01:54, John Clark <[email protected]> a écrit :



    On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 7:38 PM Brent Meeker
    <[email protected]> wrote:

            *>> Thanks but I already figured out how to look things up
            in Wikipedia.*


        /> "Knowing how to see what it says isn't the same as knowing
        what it says:
        A Turing machine is a mathematical model of computation
        describing an abstract machine[1] that manipulates symbols on
        a strip of tape according to a table of rules.[2] Despite the
        model's simplicity, it is capable of implementing any computer
        algorithm."
        /


    Yes I know, that's what I said in my previous post using different
    words. What is your point?
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