On Tue, Nov 12, 2024 at 7:28 PM Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote:

*>>> Schrodinger's equation says nothing at all about the wave function.
>>> For example, if it is not real but only epistemic, then there is no need
>>> for a physical collapse.*
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>> *>> If something works, and in this case works really really well, then
>> it is not at all clear to me why you should assume that the thing that
>> works so well is not real. And in that context I'm not even sure what you
>> mean by "real". *
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> *> Physically real, i.e. existing as an entity in time and space.*
>

*And for every event, for every point in space and for every instant in
time, the square of the absolute value of the quantum wave has a precise
number, and it's a number that has profound physical significance. That
sure sounds physically real to me!  *

*> Newton's equations of motion enable us to calculate the future
> trajectories of billiard balls. The equations themselves say nothing
> whatsoever about whether or not such objects as billiard balls exist as
> physical objects.*
>

*I would say that if something is different in different points in space
and it is different in different instances in time, and there is a
supremely important connection between it and everything else in the
observable universe, **then that thing is a physical object; and the
quantum wave function does exactly that. And if that's not good enough to
be a physical object then physical objects simply do not exist.  *

* > the equation itself does not say what a "measurement" is,*
>

*True, but the only reason I'm a Many Worlds fan is that it doesn't need to
explain what a measurement is, nor does it have to explain what
consciousness is, because neither has anything to do with it. *
*John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis
<https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>*
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