On Sunday, February 16, 2025 at 10:11:56 PM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote:

On Sunday, February 16, 2025 at 9:44:13 PM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote:

On Sunday, February 16, 2025 at 9:22:50 PM UTC-7 Brent Meeker wrote:



On 2/16/2025 7:28 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:



On Sunday, February 16, 2025 at 8:20:08 PM UTC-7 Brent Meeker wrote:

I think you need to distinguish the vector-space of velocities and the 
vector space of positions.

Brent


I'm pretty sure it's the vector space of velocities which defines the 
vector space on the tangent space at each point on the manifold. If we 
define addition as relativistic, it should restrict all those vectors when 
added, to velocities less than light speed. Do you agree? AG 

That's true of the vector space of velocities, but there's on such 
restriction on the vector space of 4-vectors.

Brent


What's that restriction? Do we really have to define the tangent space 
vectors as 4-vectors? I suppose so since the spacetime manifold has dim 4. 
AG 


How is velocity defined on the 4d manifold of spacetime? AG 


I goggled it, and the answer is the 4d velocity is alway light speed in 
every coordinate system. But this is no help, since it doesn't explain how 
velocities are added in the tangent vector space and, it would seem, should 
take on different values less than c. Looks like I have a problem; I don't 
know how to define the tangent space on spacetime. AG

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