On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 09:39 +0000, Chris G wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 05:16:06PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 20:54 +0000, Chris G wrote:
> > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 04:10:35PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 19:46 +0000, Chris G wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 06:56:52PM +0000, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > The one I created for the [email protected] works 
> > > > > > > > > fine, but the
> > > > > > > > > ones I have created for my various ubuntu and security 
> > > > > > > > > mailing lists
> > > > > > > > > don't work.  I created all the rules the same.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Basically, filter on mailing list and I double-check the 
> > > > > > > > > mailing-list
> > > > > > > > > name/address. I then tell the filter to move the message to a 
> > > > > > > > > folder on
> > > > > > > > > my local system.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The easiest way is to right click on one of the mailing list 
> > > > > > > > messages,
> > > > > > > > select "Create rule from message" -> "Filter based on mailing 
> > > > > > > > list".  If
> > > > > > > > there is not the information in the mailing list messages to be 
> > > > > > > > able to
> > > > > > > > filter, then that option won't be present.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > (The mailing list filtering requires certain headers to be 
> > > > > > > > present -
> > > > > > > > it's not just based on the list mail address - the headers all 
> > > > > > > > start
> > > > > > > > 'List-')
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > But *very many* mailing lists don't have those List headers.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Sure, but that's not Evo's fault!  In that case you can't filter as 
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > mailing list, you will have to filter on sender address.  The 
> > > > > > "Filter on
> > > > > > Mailing List" *requires* those headers to be present - that's how 
> > > > > > Evo
> > > > > > knows that it's a mailing list email, otherwise it looks like any 
> > > > > > other
> > > > > > email to Evo.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > In the 'real world' that's not very helpful to the user is it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > For this very reason mutt (for example) has configuration options to
> > > > > tell it what addresses are mailing lists so it doesn't rely on 'well
> > > > > behaved' mailing lists.
> > > > 
> > > > And how does Mutt know which addresses are mailing lists?
> > > > 
> > > You tell it, that's what I meant by 'configuration options'.  Hardly
> > > rocket science!  :-)
> > 
> > You mean like you tell the Evo filter to look for a ListId header?
> > 
> What you tell mutt is that a certain address (in To:, From:, Cc: etc.)
> is a mailing list address, the specification is a regular expression
> with which you can specify as much as is needed to remove ambiguity.
> 

So you are criticising Evo for using information in the message to
automagically find out something that you have to manually tell Mutt
about?

P.


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