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>    1. RE: IMAP issues with Evolution 1.4 (Cabral, Carlson)
>    2. RE: IMAP issues with Evolution 1.4 (guenther)
>    3. RE: IMAP issues with Evolution 1.4 (Cabral, Carlson)
>    4. RE: IMAP issues with Evolution 1.4 (guenther)
>    5. Re: Evo 1.4 -- Killing X? (Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper)
>    6. No more detachable menus? (Stuart Luppescu)
>    7. Re: No more detachable menus? (Norman P. B. Joseph)
>    8. Re: No more detachable menus? (Jason Tackaberry)
>    9. Re: No more detachable menus? (Stuart Luppescu)
>   10. Re: IMAP issues with Evolution 1.4: use offlineimap!!! (Alfons
Hoogervorst)
>   11. Re: Evo 1.4 -- Killing X? (Bradley M Alexander)
>   12. How to purge calendar and tasks records. (Ron Hauptfleisch)
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> From: "Cabral, Carlson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 'Chris Gow' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Evolution] IMAP issues with Evolution 1.4
> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 08:58:55 -0400
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> This message might be off-topic, but could you Ximian Monkeys (note, I
> capitalized both ;-)) out there give us a hint on when 1.4.1 is scheduled
to
> be released? I want to use Evolution again...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carlson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Gow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: July 8, 2003 8:37 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Evolution] IMAP issues with Evolution 1.4
>
>
> Tried them all in different combinations...no luck :(
>
> Any other ideas?
>
> -- chris
>
> guenther wrote:
>
>
> I've recently installed Ximian desktop 2.0 on my Suse 8.2 computer and I
>
> am having issues with getting IMAP in Evolution 1.4 to work. Whenever I
>
> connect to my IMAP server the message 'Scanning folders in IMAP
>
> server....' displays for a couple of minutes but no email is ever
>
> downloaded.  I noticed that the pre-release of 1.4 had an issue that
>
> required you to remove and recreate your IMAP account. I tried that but
>
> it still didn't work.  I can get my mail via IMAP from Mozilla with no
>
> problem. I get prompted for a login and if I enter the wrong password I
>
> get an error, so I know it can connect to the server.
>
>
>
>
>
> In the Mail Account Settings under tab Receiving Options, do you have
>
> disabled "Show only subscribed folders" and set the correct "Folder
>
> Namespace" if needed?
>
>
>
> ...guenther
>
>
>
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> <DIV><SPAN class=410185612-08072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
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> message&nbsp;might be off-topic, but could you Ximian Monkeys (note, I
> capitalized both ;-)) out there give us a hint on when 1.4.1 is scheduled
to be
> released? I want to use Evolution again... </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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> <DIV><SPAN class=410185612-08072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> size=2>Thanks,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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>   <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
>   face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Chris Gow
>   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <BR><B>Sent:</B> July 8, 2003 8:37
>   AM<BR><B>To:</B> [EMAIL PROTECTED]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Evolution]
>   IMAP issues with Evolution 1.4<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Tried them all in
different
>   combinations...no luck :(<BR><BR>Any other ideas?<BR><BR>--
>   chris<BR><BR>guenther wrote:<BR>
>   <BLOCKQUOTE [EMAIL PROTECTED] type="cite">
>     <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">I've recently installed Ximian
desktop 2.0 on my Suse 8.2 computer and I
> am having issues with getting IMAP in Evolution 1.4 to work. Whenever I
> connect to my IMAP server the message 'Scanning folders in IMAP
> server....' displays for a couple of minutes but no email is ever
> downloaded.  I noticed that the pre-release of 1.4 had an issue that
> required you to remove and recreate your IMAP account. I tried that but
> it still didn't work.  I can get my mail via IMAP from Mozilla with no
> problem. I get prompted for a login and if I enter the wrong password I
> get an error, so I know it can connect to the server.
>     </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->
> In the Mail Account Settings under tab Receiving Options, do you have
> disabled "Show only subscribed folders" and set the correct "Folder
> Namespace" if needed?
>
> ...guenther
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Subject: RE: [Evolution] IMAP issues with Evolution 1.4
> From: guenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Cabral, Carlson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: 08 Jul 2003 15:30:14 +0200
>
>
> > This message might be off-topic, but could you Ximian Monkeys (note, I
> > capitalized both ;-)) out there give us a hint on when 1.4.1 is
> > scheduled to be released? I want to use Evolution again...
>
> I dunno, if one might call me Ximian Monkey, but...
>
> 1.4.1 will never be released AFAIK, due to a serious bug with those
> tarballs 2 weeks ago. ;)
>
> 1.4.2 will be the next release -- and it seems, release hopefully will
> be soon...
>
> ...guenther
>
>
> --
> char
*t="[EMAIL PROTECTED]";
> main(){ char h,m=h=*t++,*x=t+2*h,c,i,l=*x,s=0; for (i=0;i<l;i++){ i%8?
c<<=1:
> (c=*++x); c&128 && (s+=h); if (!(h>>=1)||!t[s+h]){
putchar(t[s]);h=m;s=0; }}}
>
>
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> Message: 3
> From: "Cabral, Carlson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 'guenther' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Evolution] IMAP issues with Evolution 1.4
> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:35:20 -0400
>
> Thanks for your reply guenther. However, I've heard the word "soon" before
> :-) I was just wondering _how_soon_ this might be. A week? Two weeks? A
> month? And if It's 1.4.2 or 1.4.6, doesn't really matter. All I want is my
> favourite program on Earth to work again!!!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carlson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: guenther [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: July 8, 2003 9:30 AM
> To: Cabral, Carlson
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Evolution] IMAP issues with Evolution 1.4
>
>
>
> > This message might be off-topic, but could you Ximian Monkeys (note, I
> > capitalized both ;-)) out there give us a hint on when 1.4.1 is
> > scheduled to be released? I want to use Evolution again...
>
> I dunno, if one might call me Ximian Monkey, but...
>
> 1.4.1 will never be released AFAIK, due to a serious bug with those
tarballs
> 2 weeks ago. ;)
>
> 1.4.2 will be the next release -- and it seems, release hopefully will be
> soon...
>
> ...guenther
>
>
> --
> char
> *t="[EMAIL PROTECTED]";
> main(){ char h,m=h=*t++,*x=t+2*h,c,i,l=*x,s=0; for (i=0;i<l;i++){ i%8?
> c<<=1: (c=*++x); c&128 && (s+=h); if (!(h>>=1)||!t[s+h]){
> putchar(t[s]);h=m;s=0; }}}
>
> --__--__--
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> Message: 4
> Subject: RE: [Evolution] IMAP issues with Evolution 1.4
> From: guenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Cabral, Carlson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: 08 Jul 2003 15:49:56 +0200
>
>
> > Thanks for your reply guenther. However, I've heard the word "soon"
before
> > :-) I was just wondering _how_soon_ this might be. A week? Two weeks? A
> > month? And if It's 1.4.2 or 1.4.6, doesn't really matter. All I want is
my
> > favourite program on Earth to work again!!!
>
> Well, as Mark Gordon in the users mailing list exposed his currently
> (yesterday) installed Evo version (yes, it was 1.4.2 :) judge the
> meaning of "soon" by yourself.
>
> However, AFAIK there are still some issues with packaging.
>
> ...guenther
>
>
> --
> char
*t="[EMAIL PROTECTED]";
> main(){ char h,m=h=*t++,*x=t+2*h,c,i,l=*x,s=0; for (i=0;i<l;i++){ i%8?
c<<=1:
> (c=*++x); c&128 && (s+=h); if (!(h>>=1)||!t[s+h]){
putchar(t[s]);h=m;s=0; }}}
>
>
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>
> Message: 5
> Subject: Re: [Evolution] Evo 1.4 -- Killing X?
> From: Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Bradley Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: Evolution List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 08 Jul 2003 10:33:10 -0400
>
>
> On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 08:05, Bradley Alexander wrote:
> > I have noticed an increasing problem of late, on my Debian/unstable
> > workstation. I'm running Evo 1.4.0 from deb from the Debian archive.
> >
>
> I have the same setup.  Running 1.4.0-4 from debian sid.  And yes, I've
> seen what seems to be the same kind of problem.  But mine typically
> happens when I tell evolution to shut down.  I've reported this to the
> list in the last month (look for "evolution taking 5+ minutes"...).  It
> has never been figured out what was causing this horrible problem that
> makes my system completely unusable until evo is done.
>
> I have discovered that if I have more than one dictionary enabled,
> things take a REALLY long time (like tabbing off of the To: text field
> takes 2+ seconds), and if I only have one dictionary enabled, things
> seem snappier.  I've also noticed that since I've only enabled one
> dictionary (I previously had American, British, and Canadian enabled),
> my 5+ minutes of shutdown hell have become more like 1+ minutes.
>
> Also, I've ran strace after strace on evolution shutting down, and have
> captured what it's doing when I see X become completely unresponsive.
> It doesn't look like evolution is directly doing anything.  The only
> weird thing that I see whatsoever is this:
>
> before I shut evolution down, top shows XFree86 as using around 2k of
> SHR memory.  When X goes into throes and doesn't come out again for
> minutes at a time, I see that it now is using around 40Megs of SHR
> memory.  I don't know what this means, but it doesn't seem good.  =:/
>
> Anyone?
>
> > The problem I have seen manifests itself in one of two ways. Either the
> > X process will run away on me (CPU pegs with the prime offender being
> > XFree86 at something like 99.7%. I can't get the display to come up at
> > the console and generally have to ssh in and kill X), or when working at
> > the console, I will do something and it will cause X to kick me out and
> > go back to an xdm login.
> >
>
> Have you tried waiting for it?  Like I noted above, I've seen this and
> have had to wait 5+ minutes some times for X to come back.  I'm also
> running a P4-1.8 G machine with 1G of RAM (I don't know how that
> compares with your machine, but if it's not as robust, the 5+ minutes
> may be more like 10+).
>
> > The thing that I have noticed several times is that the activity that
> > causes me to be kicked out when sitting at the console is clicking the
> > Send/Receive in Evo. I had it happen to me just this morning with one
> > Eterm and evo running. I am beginning to suspect that the runaway
> > processes (which generally happen overnight when evo is running as
> > opposed to during the day when it is not) is also evo autochecking mail.
> > Has anyone seen behavior similar to this? Is there a fix for it?
> >
>
> I sure hope so!!  Please keep the list updated, since I'd give money to
> not have to go through minutes at a time of a completely useless
> computer.
>
> > Thanks,
> --
>
> ,-----------------------------------------------------------------//
> | Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper ::  Numbers 6:22-26
>  `
>  | All brontosauruses are thin at one end, much MUCH thicker
>  | in the middle, and then thin again at the far end.  That is
>  | the theory that I have and which is mine, and what it is too.
>  ,
> | bash$ :(){ :|:&};:
> `----------------------//
>
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> From: Stuart Luppescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: Evolution list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Organization: University of Chicago
> Date: 08 Jul 2003 10:00:39 -0500
> Subject: [Evolution] No more detachable menus?
>
>
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> One thing I really liked about Evolution 1.2 (I guess it was a feature
> of Gnome 1.4) is the ability to detach the View -> Message Display menu
> and leave it pinned to my desktop, so I could easily view headers or
> load images whenever I wanted to. Is there no way to do this anymore
> with Evolution 1.4?
> --=20
> Stuart Luppescu -=3D- s-luppescu .at. uchicago.edu       =20
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> Message: 7
> Subject: Re: [Evolution] No more detachable menus?
> From: "Norman P. B. Joseph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: Evolution list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 08 Jul 2003 11:37:43 -0400
>
> Are you also using XD2?
>
> I have XD2, Evo 1.4 on a Red Hat 9 box, and have detachable menus.
>
> Try running "gnome-ui-properties".  It has a check box for making
> toolbars detachable.
>
> -norm
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 11:00, Stuart Luppescu wrote:
> > One thing I really liked about Evolution 1.2 (I guess it was a feature
> > of Gnome 1.4) is the ability to detach the View -> Message Display menu
> > and leave it pinned to my desktop, so I could easily view headers or
> > load images whenever I wanted to. Is there no way to do this anymore
> > with Evolution 1.4?
> --
>  Norman Joseph, Systems Engineer           [EMAIL PROTECTED]      IC|XC
>  Concurrent Technologies Corporation         814/269.2633         --+--
>  Global Systems Center                                            NI|KA
>
>   ***  Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle  ***
>
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> Message: 8
> Subject: Re: [Evolution] No more detachable menus?
> From: Jason Tackaberry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: Evolution list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 08 Jul 2003 11:44:09 -0400
>
> On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 11:00, Stuart Luppescu wrote:
> > load images whenever I wanted to. Is there no way to do this anymore
> > with Evolution 1.4?
>
> It's a GNOME 2 thing.  Run:
>
> gconftool-2 -s /desktop/gnome/interface/menus_have_tearoff --type bool
true
>
> You'll probably have to restart Evo.
>
> Jason.
>
> --
> Jason Tackaberry  ::  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  :: 705-949-2301 x330
> Academic Computing Support Specialist
> Information Technology Services
> Algoma University College  ::  www.auc.ca
>
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Subject: Re: [Evolution] No more detachable menus?
> From: Stuart Luppescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: "Norman P. B. Joseph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: Evolution list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Organization: University of Chicago
> Date: 08 Jul 2003 11:14:09 -0500
>
>
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> On ?? 2003-07-08 at 10:37, Norman P. B. Joseph wrote:
> > Are you also using XD2?
> >=20
> > I have XD2, Evo 1.4 on a Red Hat 9 box, and have detachable menus.
> >=20
> > Try running "gnome-ui-properties".  It has a check box for making
> > toolbars detachable.
>
> This makes the toolbars detachable. It doesn't have any effect on the
> menus. However, Jason Tackaberry's suggestion to run gconftool-2 did the
> trick.
>
> > On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 11:00, Stuart Luppescu wrote:
> > > One thing I really liked about Evolution 1.2 (I guess it was a feature
> > > of Gnome 1.4) is the ability to detach the View -> Message Display
menu
> > > and leave it pinned to my desktop, so I could easily view headers or
> > > load images whenever I wanted to. Is there no way to do this anymore
> > > with Evolution 1.4?
> --=20
> Stuart Luppescu -=3D- s-luppescu .at. uchicago.edu       =20
> University of Chicago -=3D- CCSR=20
> =1B$B:MJ8$HCRF`H~$NIc=1B(B -=3D-    Kernel 2.4.20-xfs-r3               =20
> You're all clear now, kid.  Now blow this thing so=20
>  we can all go home.   -- Han Solo=20
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:47:23 +0200
> From: Alfons Hoogervorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: HvR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: guenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Chris Gow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Evolution] IMAP issues with Evolution 1.4: use
offlineimap!!!
> Organization: Doubtful
>
> Lo HvR,
>
> On 07-07-03 (Mon) 15:22 -0700 HvR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (by way of
> Alfons Hoogervorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> Ouch. I was fixing sylpheed claws' redirection stuff. Apologies...
>
> Bye.
>
> --=20
> Ecuaci=F3n algebraico sin soluci=F3n posible,
> a menos de poseer profundos conocimientos
> en matem=E1tica - Revueltas (Ocho Por Radio)
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:50:43 -0400
> From: Bradley M Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: Bradley Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Evolution List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Evolution] Evo 1.4 -- Killing X?
>
> On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 10:33:10AM -0400, Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper wrote:
> >
> > I have discovered that if I have more than one dictionary enabled,
> > things take a REALLY long time (like tabbing off of the To: text field
> > takes 2+ seconds), and if I only have one dictionary enabled, things
> > seem snappier.  I've also noticed that since I've only enabled one
> > dictionary (I previously had American, British, and Canadian enabled),
> > my 5+ minutes of shutdown hell have become more like 1+ minutes.
>
> I have never enabled any dictionaries, so whatever comes by default is
what
> I'm using.
>
> > Also, I've ran strace after strace on evolution shutting down, and have
> > captured what it's doing when I see X become completely unresponsive.
> > It doesn't look like evolution is directly doing anything.  The only
> > weird thing that I see whatsoever is this:
>
> I haven't straced the problem, as yet, I guess I will do that tonight.
>
> > before I shut evolution down, top shows XFree86 as using around 2k of
> > SHR memory.  When X goes into throes and doesn't come out again for
> > minutes at a time, I see that it now is using around 40Megs of SHR
> > memory.  I don't know what this means, but it doesn't seem good.  =:/
> >
> > Anyone?
> >
> > > The problem I have seen manifests itself in one of two ways. Either
the
> > > X process will run away on me (CPU pegs with the prime offender being
> > > XFree86 at something like 99.7%. I can't get the display to come up at
> > > the console and generally have to ssh in and kill X), or when working
at
> > > the console, I will do something and it will cause X to kick me out
and
> > > go back to an xdm login.
> > >
> >
> > Have you tried waiting for it?  Like I noted above, I've seen this and
> > have had to wait 5+ minutes some times for X to come back.  I'm also
> > running a P4-1.8 G machine with 1G of RAM (I don't know how that
> > compares with your machine, but if it's not as robust, the 5+ minutes
> > may be more like 10+).
>
> Usually, when the hard lockup happens, it's overnight, and since its not
> writing to any logs that I have yet found, but I would suspect that its
> happening several hours before I find it. The machine is a 1.0GHz Athlon-C
> machine with 768MB RAM.
>
> --
> --Brad
>
============================================================================
> Bradley M. Alexander                |
> gTLD SysAdmin, Security Engineer    |   storm [at] tux.org
> Debian/GNU Linux Developer          |   storm [at] debian.org
>
============================================================================
> Key fingerprints:
> DSA 0x54434E65: 37F6 BCA6 621D 920C E02E  E3C8 73B2 C019 5443 4E65
> RSA 0xC3BCBA91: 3F 0E 26 C1 90 14 AD 0A  C8 9C F0 93 75 A0 01 34
>
============================================================================
> Sushi? Where I'm from, we call this stuff "bait."
> --Terry Bradshaw
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 12
> Subject: [Evolution] How to purge calendar and tasks records.
> From: Ron Hauptfleisch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Evolution Users <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 08 Jul 2003 13:14:34 -0400
>
> Is there a way to purge all records from Evolution's calendar which are
> older than a certain date?  I was unable to find anything in the FAQ or
> help.
>
> Thanks
> --
> Ron Hauptfleisch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
>
>
>
> End of evolution Digest

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