i'm cc'ing this to rms too, just for background.
You must be a laywer to have such strong and obviously correct views on
the matter.
It certainly deosn't sound like you appreciate the work we're doing
here, this is very unpleasant to read.
On 11 Apr 2001 10:40:06 -0500, Matthew Vanecek wrote:
> On 11 Apr 2001 09:00:51 +0930, Not Zed wrote:
> > Go read the page i referenced earlier.
> >
> > End of thread.
>
> I did read the page you referenced earlier, which is how I got to the
> OpenLDAP license. The page you referenced is a knee-jerk reaction to a
> license which does not have "GPL" as a name.
>
> The OpenLDAP license is not incompatible with the GPL. The page you
> reference states that it is, because the OpenLDAP says you may not use
> the OpenLDAP name to advertise derivative works, and that you may not
> use "OpenLDAP" as part of the name of your derivative work, without
> prior written permission. I've read the GPL, and nowhere in there does
> it mention ANYTHING about advertising or naming conventions of works.
>
> The license is the final authority, and not some extremist FSF fanatic's
> opinion. The text and spirit of the OpenLDAP license is very
> complementary to the text and spirit of the GPL.
>
> The FSF has issues with any license which is not titled "GNU GENERAL
> PUBLIC LICENSE". They would even like to dispense with the LGPL,
> according to some more extreme rhetoric I've read in the past. Those
> issues, however, do not mean that a given license is 'incompatible' with
> the GPL.
>
> The OpenLDAP is *not* incompatible with the GPL, and it *is* ok, both
> legally and spiritually, to distribute binary code linked to the
> OpenLDAP libraries--especially since Evolution presumably only uses the
> proffered interface.
>
> Consider xmcd--when Motif was non-free, it was still linked to Motif,
> and under the GPL, and there weren't any license compatibility issues.
> How is this different?
>
> >
> >
> > On 10 Apr 2001 10:20:28 -0500, Matthew Vanecek wrote:
> > > On 10 Apr 2001 12:18:05 +0930, Not Zed wrote:
> > > > For now, you will HAVE to compile it yourself, we cannot distribute such
> > > > binaries as it voilates the license we have chosen to use for Evolution
> > > > - the GPL.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Simply because the Oh-So-Powerful-And-Wonderful FSF says that a license
> > > is incompatible with the GPL does not necessarily make it so. I read
> > > the OpenLDAP license, such as it is, and I fail to see the conflict.
> > > You're not saying "Use Evolution because it supports OpenLDAP!"
> > > (although I have trouble seeing how one could POSSIBLY consider
> > > Evolution a derivative work from OpenLDAP!), and you don't call your
> > > product "OpenLDAP Evolution" or "Evolution-OpenLDAP" or anything like
> > > that.
> > >
> > > The only possible obstacle I could detect (using a VERY large leap and
> > > twisting as hard as I could, to make it an obstacle), is in section 6 of
> > > the OpenLDAP license--you must give OpenLDAP due credit. Well, duh!
> > > ("We used OpenLDAP at http://www.openldap.org" -- problem solved!).
> > >
> > > Distributing binary distributions of Evolution linked to OpenLDAP is not
> > > a problem because:
> > >
> > > * Evolution is not a derivative work of OpenLDAP
> > > * Even if Evolution *were* a derivative work, it does not use
> > > the name "OpenLDAP" for promotional purposes
> > > * Even if Evolution *were* a derivative work, it does not use
> > > "OpenLDAP" anywhere in its name
> > > * There are no restrictions in the OpenLDAP license on
> > > distributing code which is linked to the OpenLDAP libraries,
> > > nor are the re-distribution restrictions of OpenLDAP
> > > incompatible with GPL (redistribution must contain a copy of
> > > the copyright notice--sounds vaguely GPL-ish to me...)
> > >
> > > I've read the GPL as distributed by Evoluiton (v2, 1991), and the
> > > OpenLDAP license
> > > (http://www.openldap.org/software/release/license.html), both several
> > > times, and I fail to see the conflict.
> > >
> > > I caution you to pay less attention to RMS and more attention to
> > > reality. The two are not always in sync with each other...
> > >
> > > --
> > > Matthew Vanecek
> > > perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
> > > ********************************************************************************
> > > For 93 million miles, there is nothing between the sun and my shadow except me.
> > > I'm always getting in the way of something...
> >
> >
>
> --
> Matthew Vanecek
> perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
> ********************************************************************************
> For 93 million miles, there is nothing between the sun and my shadow except me.
> I'm always getting in the way of something...
>
>
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