Virtually all the current viruses forge the from address, so bounce
back virus warnings almost always go to the wrong person and therefore
serve no useful purpose whatsoever. Reassure your user that those
messages mean nothing.

-Peter


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
Christine Easton
Sent: Thursday, 04 March, 2004 8:58
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: BAGEL32.J Varient and ScanMail Engine.


This is an sort of off topic question.  One of my users has been
getting a
response from a trend scanner at another company stating that the
e-mail she
sent to them had a virus infected. She never sent an e-mail to this
person
and the company is not in her contact list.  I've scanned her
computer, and
there is nothing found.

I've been checking everywhere and everything and we were not infected
with
the virus (hopefully) it's mentioning.  We do not have a
filter/scanner like
trend so we are not able to block any attachments, however, we have
been
up-to-date with our Norton Virus defs and we do run Nav for exchange
which
has been catching all the latest viruses. 

Does anyone have any clues why this is happening?

-----Original Message-----
From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 11:44 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: BAGEL32.J Varient and ScanMail Engine.


You can always print out the zip file and fax it.

-Peter


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
Fyodorov, Andrey FTL
Sent: Thursday, 04 March, 2004 6:11
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: BAGEL32.J Varient and ScanMail Engine.


Dang... First Howard Stern gets removed from some radio stations, now
can't
use zips anymore... Sounds like an end of an era.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Durkee,
Peter
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 4:21 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: BAGEL32.J Varient and ScanMail Engine.


Exactly...Antigen has been catching Bagle.J here without a problem,
but I
suspect that if I were counting on its normal ability to remove pif or
exe
files from inside the Bagle.J zip files, then I'd be disappointed.
I've gone
to blocking all zips, just because so many of the new viruses are
using
them, and the time when you're really vulnerable is when the first
wave
comes ashore, before the scanners have been updated.

-Peter


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
Alverson,
Tom
Sent: Wednesday, 03 March, 2004 12:43
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: BAGEL32.J Varient and ScanMail Engine.


They probably added a signature for some of the bytes of the
encrypted/zipped virus (as well as different signatures for the
expanded
version).  The whole anti-virus scanning thing works on finding a
unique
pattern of data within the virus.

Tom 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dumke, Jane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 2:59 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: BAGEL32.J Varient and ScanMail Engine.

A lot of discussion has been going on here on our campus with the
theme that
password encrypted files can't be scanned.  So why are Bagle.H
variants
being caught by ScanMail 6.2 for Exchange then?  Are they using a
heuristic
to catch this instead of finding the actual virus pattern in the file
itself? 


Jane Dumke
Email Administrator
University of Wisconsin - Stevens Point <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
phone:(715)346-2463  fax:(715)346-4577 


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Chinnery,
Paul
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 1:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: BAGEL32.J Varient and ScanMail Engine.

I just sent out an email to our users stating that for the forseeable
future, all zip files will be blocked.  That's gonna be a PITA. People
have
really come to rely zipping files. (Although why someone would zip a
500K
Word doc down to 350K is beyond me.)

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


-----Original Message-----
From: Pfefferkorn, Pete (pfeffepe) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 1:26 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: BAGEL32.J Varient and ScanMail Engine.


I manually downloaded and updated both the engine as well as the new
pattern
that has not been released yet.  I guess scanmail cannot scan password
encrypted attachments so back to blocking the Zips.  Sophos does not
scan
password encrypted either.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 1:06 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: BAGEL32.J Varient and ScanMail Engine.

Are you sure about the engine?  Their sites says 6.810.  We got a
couple of
the bagle.j come through.  Thankfully, Trend's desktop AV caught them.

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


-----Original Message-----
From: Pfefferkorn, Pete (pfeffepe) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:46 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: BAGEL32.J Varient and ScanMail Engine.



I noticed that Trend has a new engine out there 6.860 and the manual
update
does not update to that version.  It looks as if the new BAGEL32.J
variant
got through on our system and I'm wondering if that engine is required
to
catch it?

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