I would say that depends on how much time you want to wait to get the DB
from tape or whatever backup source you are using and how much time you
can afford to have the database offline.  If you don't mind it taking 3
days to get the database back online maybe 100GB isn't too large. But if
you want it back online in 15 minutes it's going to have to be less than
15GB and you probably don't want to use tape as your only backup option.
Oh, if you want it back that quickly you should probably practice
restoring often, otherwise it may take you more than 15 minutes just to
figure out what you have to do, let alone actually do it!

I would say anything under 15GB - 20GB **could** still be consider
small.  But that would depend on the size of your organization. It's
really a relative term.  For a company with 20 - 30 users 15GB might be
huge.  But if you're talking about an organization with more than 20,000
people 20GB might be small. It just depends on what you're used to
seeing. 

Regards, 
Doug Jones


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Rehorst
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How small IS a small DB?

Regards,
Orin



-----Original Message-----
From: Bridges, Samantha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 2:02 PM
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Subject: RE: Failover Servers AND Restore/Recovery Server


Awesome...thank you!

Great advice and an interesting story to go along.

Samantha
:)



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 2:34 PM
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I would say to spend the money on quality and redundant hardware so you
don't have to recover in the first place.  Because if it like any place
I've even done work for, you're not going to come close to recovering a
server in 30 minutes let alone 15.  

You best bet is to keep for databases as small as possible.  I did work
for a law firm that managed to let one of its databases on a 5.5 server
get to be almost 100GB.  Then the server crashed...  Need less to say it
took about 8 hours to get if off tape to a server with enough disk
space, then 3 hours to just copy it to the restore server over the
network.  Never mind how long it took to run an ISINTEG to run because
someone messed up bring it back up.  

Since the server had more than 40 or 50 attorneys on it who bill out at
more than $500 / hour who couldn't get to their e-mail they were not
pleased. Shortly afterwards they spend more than $100K on new exchange
2000 servers.

Moral of the story, keep you databases small and hardware redundant so
you don't have to ever recover...




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Bridges, Samantha
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 11:57 AM
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No.  Sorry if this is a redundant question.  Just say the "budget" is
$20,000.  Just wondering if anyone here has a "great" way of recovering
Exchange 2000 in 15 minutes or less.

I have gone over the many articles and white papers for exchange
disaster recover server but was interested in the forums comments.

Thanks

Samantha (still the same ol' Samantha)

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 11:45 AM
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Do we have the same person asking the same question every day under a
different name?

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Bridges, Samantha
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 9:03 AM
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Subject: Failover Servers AND Restore/Recovery Server


Windows 2000 Advanced Server
Exchange 2000
Dual Processor Compaq ML350
25 GB IS


Hello All.

My management wants a high availability solution put in place that
includes both a failover solution AND a recovery solution.  A failover
for hardware failures and a recovery for IS corruption etc...  If the
primary IS corrupts than most likely the secondary will corrupt also.  

I have been looking at SteelEye and Neverfail for a failover solution
(any comments on these two companies would be appreciated).  Have been
having a problem getting neverfail to work and will start testing the
SteelEye next week sometime.  

As for the recovery server I am interested in your thoughts.  I asked my
management two questions, 1)How long are you willing to wait for
services to be restored? And 2)How much data are you willing to lose?
Their answer to those questions were, 1) 15 minutes and 2) NONE.

Ok...with those questions being answered, does anyone in this forum have
a solution in place that can meet the request of my management?  They
want another solution in place in case the failover "fails".  Is the
answer to have a third server that just sits there (pre built of course)
ready to go incase the failover solution falls short?  I do nightly
online backups of Exchange and would need time to restore the backup on
the recovery server plus add the transaction logs in.  This will take
more than the 15 minute allotment.

Any ideas or comments would be helpful.

Thanks,


Samantha Bridges
Macomb Intermediate School District

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