Right now there is only NAT running the router.  Is there any security
drop from not enabling NAT on the firewall and leaving the router as is?


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For starters, if you plan on using the Firewall as a primary protection
device (hiding behind NAT), you should at least change the subnetwork
between the Firewall and DSL Modem so it is not possible for users to
have 2 points of Egress from your network.  You can use a subnet in the
172.16.x.x or 10.x.x.x networks.  

Leaving NAT enabled on the DSL modem doesn't provide any loss of
security, but it does make things a heckuva lot harder to debug if
something goes wrong.  Not to mention, some interactive services like
PPTP, H323, SIP, etc...are sketchy enough going through one NAT
device...  Who knows what will happen with two screeners in the mix.

Your best bet is to disable NAT and DHCP on the DSL Modem and rely on
the firewall for your security.  The only caveat is if your firewall is
listening on any ports on public-facing interfaces.  Sonicwall is a
pretty solid product and you can lock it down as tight as you want to
(e.g. No open ports on public interfaces...).

If you have your heart set on running double NAT, at least disable DHCP
on the modem so your internal hosts are only getting IP addresses from
on source, and then see if you can lock down the modem so it only
accepts internal traffic from the outside IP address of the Firewall.

Example:  [192.168.0.2/255.255.255.254] <-->
[192.168.0.1/255.255.255.254] Where 192.168.0.2 is the outside of your
firewall and ...0.1 is the inside of your DSL modem.  

Eric Fretz

L-3 Communications
ComCept Division
2800 Discovery Blvd.
Rockwall, TX 75032
tel:   972.772.7501
fax:  972.772.7510



-----Original Message-----
From: Phillip Stafford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 12:44 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Off-Topic Firewall Question


I apologize for this being off-topic...

at one of our clients, we have a DSL modem that is currently providing
NAT
to the computers. This device has an internal IP of 192.168.0.xx. We
have
this modem running to a Sonicwall SOHO firewall device that is not
assigned
an external address. It also has an internal at 192.168.0.xx. This then
plugs into the switches.

Is there any loss of security by permitting the DSL modem to be
providing
NAT and thus having both an internal and external IP versus having the
firewall providing this? I know the clients communicate through the
wiring
that goes from the switch to the firewall and then to the router...but
does
this still filter the packets and protect them in the same way?

It's strange because I can have the clients point to either the firewall
or
the Router's internal IP as the gateway and they can get out either way.

Thanks for any help.


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