So this is where the old school guys ended up. <Grin> Happy!Mail (I almost got David Ritchie sued for that little spelling on the Banyan-L) Shark!Mail (I think all the Banyan folks still have a shark!fin somewhere) BeyondMail caLANdar Netpro Admin ToolBox Incognito
Many people died by Mr. Mahoney's lethargic moves/planning. You must have jumped off the Banyan Train early. Server Keys went away, long time ago as did the mailbox message limits, evidenced by migrating over 15k messages on one user last week. We had phone numbers and photo IDs included in the banyan directory back in 1996 at the Pentagon. By the way on the Messaging front Banyan's beyondmail group was the ONLY vendor to have a working Defense Messaging Systems client that actually worked back in 1996 to Federal Specs. Unfortunately Mahoney was voting Republican in a Democratic era and was blackballed from the DMS program in spite of the only working product. Pricing models were a nightmare and one of the reasons I left Banyan. Jim Allchin, I need to meet him for lunch again. We had lunch together back when he was a Banyanite, but he has come along way baby! Going back to network serf labor... /ALE > -----Original Message----- > Behalf Of Ed Crowley [MVP] > > Blah blah blah. I cut my teeth replacing Banyan. Sure, > Banyan had a great directory, but it had zero ISV support so > it was practically useless. My own employer, which was maybe > the third largest Banyan customer ever, used the directory > almost solely for e-mail. Banyan offered only the blue mail > DOS 80x25 client. To get a nice looking Windows-based > client, you had to buy yet another third-party product. > (MailMan or Shark!Mail--I still have the shark fin.) You > were limited to a hard-coded 1,000 messages in your mailbox. > When I showed people in my company the Exchange address book, > populated with data I replicated from various directories > (VINES being the main one), almost everyone was amazed that > they could see phone numbers. > Banyan didn't have a calendar product, and the add-on > products were clunky and poorly integrated. To connect > Banyan Mail to the Internet, you had to buy a third-party > product. (Which one do you use? Incognito?) And don't get > me started on those friggin' hardware server keys. > > To use an analogy, VINES had great plumbing but no fixtures. > > Banyan had a vastly superior product to Novell for > medium-to-large-size enterprises, but Novell had a far > superior marketing strategy. They embraced ISVs and sold to > departments. Banyan had no ISV support and sold to the > enteprise. At that time, departments were doing the buying, > not central IT departments, so Novell sold boxes while Banyan > languished. > Banyan didn't help themselves in that regard with a > server-based pricing model that made their product > prohibitively expensive to deploy in small offices. > > For e-mail Exchange Server 4.0 beta 2 with the Exchange > client put Banyan Mail to shame and there's been no looking back. > > I know of what I speak. In a Q&A session, Banyan CEO (at the > time) David Mahoney was so offended by my question about his > company's precarious financial situation he unsuccessfully > tried to get me fired! _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=exchange To subscribe: http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
