" wrath of their product(s) by being unsupported"
Lol ......
". 2nd tier MS support is excellent"
I agree ....
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry
Abouelnasr
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 4:54 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: E2k3 cluster question (general)
You may not care about getting their help, but you are asking for the
wrath of their product(s) by being unsupported. There is wisdom behind
what they support and what they don't. It's the kind of lesson you
only need to learn once. :)
Jerry
p.s. 2nd tier MS support is excellent.
On 8/31/06, Jose Manzano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Assuming for a moment that availability is equal between a
virtualized
> > server and a standard server[1]"
>
> I haven't seen a difference in out current Virtual Infrastructure of
> 30 + Servers.
>
> "whether or not one can more cost effectively scale hardware and
> storage
> > to support a virtualized Exchange infrastructure"
>
> You'd be amazed how efficient ESX is.
>
> " and a problem occurs that you cannot solve, your boss is going to
> have
> > a hard time understanding why you decided to implement Exchange in
an
> > unsupported fashion so that you can't get support from MS."
>
> All I have to say is this
>
> 1) I can restore from a previous image (snapshot) faster than you
> can get ahold of someone at MS Support.
> 2) I don't care about getting their help. Have you tried calling
> them to get them to help you with Exchange Issues ? I did last year
and
> was totally disappointed with them. For one the tech didn't know how
to
> get my issue resolved and we ended up fixing the problem in the end ,
> two he could of potentially destroy most of my Priv DB . I actually
told
> the tech I would not do what he was suggesting and that I was going
> re-import the data in another form and he said that would not work.
Well
> guess what, it worked without any problems.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Chris
> Scharff
> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 2:08 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: E2k3 cluster question (general)
>
> I believe certain configurations are currently supported for certain
> virtualization scenarios.
> http://www.support.microsoft.com/kb/320220/
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bounce-
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Blevins
> > Posted At: Thursday, August 31, 2006 12:29 PM
> > Posted To: swynk
> > Conversation: E2k3 cluster question (general)
> > Subject: RE: E2k3 cluster question (general)
> >
> > A basic reason to not virtualize a production Exchange environment
is
> > that it is not supported by Microsoft. So calling PSS for a bug or a
> > hotfix would not be an option.
> >
> > In the near future (most likely in the next 1.5 yrs) I'm sure MS
will
> > begin supporting specific installation types on VMWare and
definitely
> > on Virtual Server, however if you are responsible for an
environment,
> > and a problem occurs that you cannot solve, your boss is going to
have
> > a hard time understanding why you decided to implement Exchange in
an
> > unsupported fashion so that you can't get support from MS.
> >
> > Just my .02 cents.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > Chris Scharff
> > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 11:26 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: E2k3 cluster question (general)
> >
> > Assuming for a moment that availability is equal between a
virtualized
> > server and a standard server[1], the question still remains as to
> > whether or not one can more cost effectively scale hardware and
> storage
> > to support a virtualized Exchange infrastructure.
> >
> > [1] Which I'm leery of if for no other reason than increased
> complexity
> > is an enemy of increased availability.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jose Manzano
> > > Posted At: Thursday, August 31, 2006 10:22 AM Posted To: swynk
> > > Conversation: E2k3 cluster question (general)
> > > Subject: RE: E2k3 cluster question (general)
> > >
> > > I'm not too familiar with Microsoft Virtual Server, but I am with
> > > VMware Virtual Infrastructure. Given adequate hardware resources,
> and
> > > proper configuration, I see no problem virtualizing the Exchange
> > > Servers. I actually plan on moving our Exchange Server over to a
ESX
> > > Virtual environment in the next year or so. I also plan on
testing
> > > Citrix in the new Vmware VI3 since they have supposable optimized
> ESX
> > > for Citrix.
> > >
> > > Trust me , once you see VMware Vmotion work for the first time,
> > you'll
> > > want to virtualize everything :)
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > Alex
> > > Alborzfard
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 10:30 AM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: E2k3 cluster question (general)
> > >
> > > Are you running it on their Server or ESX product?
> > > If ESX, which version?
> > >
> > >
> > > Alex
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of
> > > East, Bill
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:07 AM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: E2k3 cluster question (general)
> > >
> > > FWIW we've had a small (400-user) Exchange server running under
> > VMWare
> > > for 15 months or so now. We've been very satisfied with it.
> > >
> > > I could see where throwing the cluster into the equation could
> > > complicate things. But probably not as much as running the cluster
> on
> > a
> > > virtual server being run on a Windows partition on a Macintosh.
> > That's
> > > on fire.
> > >
> > > --
> > > be - MOS
> > >
> > > Hard reality has a way of cramping your style. --Daniel Dennett
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of
> > > Alex
> > > > Alborzfard
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 4:01 PM
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: RE: E2k3 cluster question (general)
> > > >
> > > > Dare I ask: what is specifically wrong with virtualizing
Exchange
> > or
> > > > is it virtualzing an Exchange cluster? What are the major issues
> > and
> > > > pitfalls?
> > > >
> > > > Alex
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of
> > > > Chris Scharff
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 3:35 PM
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: RE: E2k3 cluster question (general)
> > > >
> > > > In a lab sire. In production.... can't think of a reason other
> than
> > > > hating your job and wanting a new one.
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:bounce-
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wehner,
> Paul
> > > > > (wehnerpl)
> > > > > Posted At: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 2:22 PM Posted To: swynk
> > > > > Conversation: E2k3 cluster question (general)
> > > > > Subject: RE: E2k3 cluster question (general)
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm going to assemble extra ips, quorum, store volumes and
> > > > give it a
> > > > > shot.
> > > > > Might be moderately useful to have two virtual servers on a
> > > > two node
> > > > > cluster.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > > > Behalf Of Ed
> > > > > Crowley [MVP]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 2:04 PM
> > > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > > Subject: RE: E2k3 cluster question (general)
> > > > >
> > > > > I suppose you could install Microsoft Virtual Server and
> > > > run the new
> > > > > Exchange servers in virtual machines, but I don't recommend
> > > > it for a
> > > > > production environment.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
> > > > > Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
> > > > > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf
> > Of
> > > > > Wehner, Paul (wehnerpl)
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 10:34 AM
> > > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > > Subject: E2k3 cluster question (general)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a two node active/passive exchange cluster working
fine.
> > > > > Is it possible to add a second exchange cluster to these two
> > boxes?
> > > > > (assuming new ips, different store volumes, etc) Thanks, Paul
> > > > >
> > > > >
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