Not if the vendor prices per seat rather than per server...
Roger
Iron Chef Migration
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Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE MCT
Senior Systems Administrator
Peregrine Systems
Atlanta, GA
http://www.peregrine.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 9:14 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
>
>
> Of course, that recommendation sells more licenses!
>
> Ed Crowley
> Compaq Computer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 1:17 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
>
>
> Most of the Antivirus companies will support having a file
> base antivirus
> product running on the Exchange server as long and you follow the
> recommended deployment guide-line. For example, some product
> may recommend
> Exchange administrator to exclude the Exchange directory or
> the Antivirus
> for Exchange directory. Other product when install will automatically
> recognize these directory and exclude them from being scan.
>
> The recent virus threat show us that almost every systems are
> vulnerable to
> virus attacks at some point, so if you have a good file base antivirus
> scanner that is compliance with Windows then why not install
> it. You have
> nothing to loose, unless the product does not function will under this
> condition.
>
> Richard Ku
> Product Manager
> Trend Micro
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Meunier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 12:58 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
>
>
> You still are missing the distinction between a file-based scanner and
> scanning the database using an Exchange-aware antivirus solution using
> the AVAPI technology. They are NOT the same. Sort of like
> hitting your
> NTFS volumes with Norton Antivirus for DOS.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tech [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Posted At: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 02:49 PM
> > Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List
> > Conversation: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
> > Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
> >
> >
> > I don't suggest anyone install an AV product physically on
> the server.
> >
> > I don't understand why to install on the same box, when
> they can scan
> > from a separate system.
> > Microsoft are not against using file based scanners. Clearly
> > Microsoft
> > have no aversion to scanning Exchange 2000 servers.
> >
> > I think previous comments have been misleading about this point. By
> > combining installing on the same box and AV scanners.
> >
> > What does Ed have to say anyway? This issue seems right up
> his alley.
> >
> > Nathan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> > Scharff, Chris
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 12:43 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
> >
> >
> > Because there's a difference between an Exchange aware AV
> > product using
> > the AVAPI and a file based AV scanner running on a server
> > which happens
> > to also be running Exchange.
> >
> > *************************************************************
> > Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.swinc.com
> >
> > "Cheshire-Puss," she began, "would you tell me, please,
> > which way I ought to go from here?"
> > "That depends a good deal on where you want to get to,"
> > said the Cat.
> > "I don't care much where--" said Alice.
> > "Then it doesn't matter which way you go," said the Cat.
> > *************************************************************
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: tech [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 2:30 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.win2000mag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=22416
> > >
> > > Why have they invested in the new api then??????
> > >
> > > Nathan
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Stephen
> > > Mynhier
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 12:34 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
> > >
> > >
> > > Third parties might support it... that's fine. But MS
> > doesn't really
> > > support running file-based AV on an Exchange server. It is
> > one of the
> >
> > > first things that they have you remove if you call in with
> > a problem,
> > > it is one of the first things that they have you remove.
> > >
> > > Never confuse "can" and "should"
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Brian Ko
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Sent: 9/25/01 1:34 PM
> > > Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
> > >
> > > Kevin,
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > I don't know why you think why I am wrong. Why don't you
> > > call Antivirus
> > > companies and tell them they are wrong for supporting
> file based A/V
> > > products on Exchange servers.
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> > > Kevin Miller
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 12:25 PM
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You NEVER want to use a file based scanner on the
> > Exchange folders
> > > > in the server.. That is a very bad idea. You just don't do that
> > > > period. If you want more protection then use extension
> blocking.
> > > > File scanner your exchange server will cause nothing
> but problems
> > > > and now help at all.. Why do you think there is a
> > separate product
> > > > for exchange? Never mind.. Don will finish this one
> > better then I
> > > > can..
> > > >
> > > > You should have left it you being wrong.
> > > >
> > > > Kevinm WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > All spelling and Factual errors are the fault of Bob Barker
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > This space has been rented by:
> > > > Http://www.tiggercam.co.uk For all your tigger needs
> > > > You 2 can rent this space if you need it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf
> Of Brian Ko
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 10:19 AM
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Don,
> > > >
> > > > Hi!
> > > >
> > > > What I don't want is to make this as argument. I am
> just saying
> > > > that I would run File Based A/V product to increase the
> > protection
> > > > of Exchange server. You can't really say your server is bullet
> > > > proof. Maybe it is at the time, but what if/when there's a new
> > > > threat for security holes. A/V may not be able to protect
> > it, but it
> >
> > > > certainly may decrease the chance of getting infected
> (IMO). You
> > > > think that file based A/V products corrupt Exchange
> > database? Well,
> >
> > > > Not if people install it properly and run it properly.
> Exchange
> > > > Virus product companies support File Based A/V products.
> > Microsoft
> > > > does not say you can not install File Based A/V products on
> > > > Exchange server, do they? If they do, please let me know.
> > > >
> > > > If you are happy with not running file based A/V
> products on your
> > > > Exchange server, that's okay with me. I am just happy
> > running file
> > > > based A/V product along email virus product on my
> > Exchange server.
> > > > And this is supported by my A/V vendor.
> > > >
> > > > Brian
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf
> Of Don Ely
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 11:55 AM
> > > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > > Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, unless you have some rebuttal to prove me
> > > otherwise... Please
> > > > > enlighten me if there is something I'm missing. I'd
> > > really like to
> > > > > know...
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf
> > Of Brian Ko
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 9:43 AM
> > > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > > Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You are right and I am wrong. Happy?
> > > > >
> > > > > Brian
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf
> > Of Don Ely
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 10:26 AM
> > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > > > Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ummmm... What the hell does having IIS on a server without
> > > > > file based
> > > > > > virus scanning have to do with anything?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Case in point, I have an E2K server with IIS 5.0 with
> > all of the
> >
> > > > > > necessary patches and updates. What the hell is a file
> > > > > based scanner
> > > > > > going to do for me that my email virus scanner
> > > wouldn't? Are you
> > > > > > trying to tell these poor souls that the nimda virus
> > > > would not have
> > > > > > infected
> > > > > > them if they had a file based scanner? Bzzztt....
> > > WRONG ANSWER!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He who knows how to build, configure and secure a server
> > > > > doesn't need
> > > > > > a file based scanner on their exchange server.
> > > > > > The virus in this particular case came through either an
> > > > email or an
> > > > > > infected web page. If the admin is anywhere near
> > > > competent and has
> > > > > > his/her server built correctly, the virus cannot be
> > > > activated. Now
> > > > > > if said admin is ignorant and doesn't have a properly
> > configured
> >
> > > > > > server... They deserve what they get!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Come back later and talk to us when your exchange install
> > > > > has become
> > > > > > corrupted due to your file based scanner...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf
> > > Of Brian Ko
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 8:14 AM
> > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > > > Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And maybe you won't install IIS 5.0 on Windows 2000
> > > > > servers??? Nimda
> > > > > > was able to infect IIS servers using IIS server as well.
> > > > I am not
> > > > > > forcing you or missy to install the A/V on your own
> > > > servers. It's
> > > > > > your own choice.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Brian
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> > > > > Tom Meunier
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 10:04 AM
> > > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ...or maybe she won't create PUBLICALLY ACCESSIBLE
> > > SHARES on an
> > > > > > > Exchange box, perhaps. Or browse the web or read her
> > > > > email from it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You identify your points of possible infection, and you
> > > > > > protect them.
> > > > > > > I don't need to put mousetraps in my gasoline
> tank, because
> > > > > > I'm fairly
> > > > > > > certain that they'll never be able to get in there.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Brian Ko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > > > > Posted At: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 10:01 AM
> Posted To:
> > > > > > > > MSExchange Mailing List
> > > > > > > > Conversation: anti-virus protection for
> Exchange server os
> > > > > > > > Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange
> server os
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think you will think differently after you have one
> > > > > of Exchange
> > > > > > > > server infected by virus (not that I am wishing for it,
> > > > > I hope it
> > > > > > > > never happens!!!). Not having any A/V product except
> > > > Exchange
> > > > > > > > server is a past thing as new virus comes out all the
> > > > > > time with more
> > > > > > > damage it can
> > > > > > > > do to a workstation or a server, IMHO.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Brian Ko
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf
> > > > > Of missy
> > > > > > > > > koslosky
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 2:31 PM
> > > > > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: anti-virus protection for Exchange
> > server os
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What's he risking by not having file-based A/V on
> > > > his Exchange
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > server? There shouldn't be anything other than
> > > > > Exchange on the
> > > > > > > > > server, so Antigen should protect his server
> > quite nicely.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm not a proponent of file-based scanners on servers
> > > > > > that aren't
> > > > > > > > > file servers.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Missy
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "Brian Ko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 3:28 PM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange
> > server os
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You are risking a lot by not putting Antivirus
> > > > > software on your
> > > > > > > > > server. We've been running ScanMail and
> > > > ServerProtect on our
> > > > > > > > > Exchange server for a while w/o any problem. We
> > > > did exclude
> > > > > > > > > ScanMail and Exchange folders from scanning.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Brian
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> On Behalf
> > > > > > Of Steven
> > > > > > > > > > Plender
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 1:28 PM
> > > > > > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: anti-virus protection for Exchange
> server os
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We are currently using Antigen Anti-virus
> software on
> > > > > > all of our
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Exchange servers. We have not used any other
> > anti-virus
> > > > > > > > software to
> > > > > > > > > > protect the server or operating system itself. Three
> > > > > > > > years ago when
> > > > > > > > > > the Exchange systems were being installed it was
> > > > > > known that file
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > scanning anti-virus software could or would corrupt
> > > > > > > > > information store
> > > > > > > > > > files and perhaps log files as well. The architect
> > > > > > > > > recommended that no
> > > > > > > > > > anti-virus software be installed at that
> > time. Desktops
> > > > > > > and other
> > > > > > > > > > servers are protected with file scanning anti-virus
> > > > > > > software which
> > > > > > > > > > is updated nightly. We have been asked / directed
> > > > > to install
> > > > > > > > > > server file scanning software (NAI) on our Exchange
> > > > > > > servers. This
> > > > > > > > > > weekend I have been running it in the lab on an
> > > > > > Exchange server
> > > > > > > > > > and have excluded the partition with the information
> > > > > > > store and the
> > > > > > > > > > partition with the log files. Can you tell
> me what the
> > > > > > > consensus
> > > > > > > > > > is on this issue and do you run server anti-virus
> > > > > > > software along
> > > > > > > > > > with Exchange aware anti-virus software. Thanks.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Steve Plender
> > > > > > > > > > RBC DS
> > >
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