... can't resist a reply see >>>> below > -----Original Message----- > From: tech [mailto: > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 7:17 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Better Version? > > > When you talk about 5.5 vs. 2k, you have to evaluate Active Directory. > AD can become the spoke of a cross network infrastructure and the mail > component is only one small branch of a network. > >>>> I concur, evaluate AD to your hearts content, and for the year 2000, the end result seems to be the same (according to CIO mag, IDG, Gartner and the like, Ed's email with the 4 benefits stands out as a really succinct summary of those) I don't mean to say Ed copied from them, more than likely they read this list and copied him. :)
> Companies have built business solutions around Directory servers. To > build an Iplanet solution you better be willing to shell out at least > $500,000 just for the support of implementing. That is a > real figure no > matter what the size of your company or server farm. >>> your right, now it will cost 500,000 for Iplanet plus the cost of upgrading all your servers to W2k (in triplicate as stated before) At least until all companies that created their own enterprise directory solutions re-do their environment to be Passport (or AD) compatible. > > Microsoft AD is a cheaper out of the box alternative, based > on internet > standards. This is one of the steps Microsoft are taking to fit into > the bigger world of IT. It now appears Microsoft are getting > what Unix > systems have been about for over 30 years. > >>>> right, so we follow with the MS Easy Bake oven... As long as you use the Microsoft Iplanet (soon?) and use MSN for your ISP etc. As Microsoft becomes the Internet there is a thing red line between "internet standards" and "Microsoft Internet Standards". MSKerberos, is not Kerberos compatible, MSPOP3 is POP3 with SAP added so its not internet POP3 compatible (thank you Qwest for switching to MSN...) MSSMTP is SMTP with added X entries in the header, which, technically are RFC2822 compliant but don't try to talk back into the Exchange2k environment from a foreign system even with those X entries intact, should I go on? > The decision to implement 2000 as opposed to 5.5 should look at where > your company wants to go with its network infrastructure. AD and 2000 > have the potential to communicate with multiple platforms instead of > Microsoft only playing with itself. > >>> hmmm, MSwindows will communicate with multiple platforms one way -- From the 'multiple' platform back to Microsoft. MS will only half assedly communicate back to the other system in most cases. There are a few where it will work ok, hence MS's implementation of Appletalk and IPX/SPX, but that depends on your definition of "half-assedly". > $20,000 a server maybe how much it cost you but that is not > how much it > may cost someone else. Many companies could implement a 2000 Exchange > solution cheaper per server. > >>>>Simantics. In a medium size shop an SMP server, with mirrored sys, mirrored logs, RAID 0+1 for the DB, and redundant power supplies with a good tape library (arguably a minimum setup for Exchange or any Windows box since NT 4.0) will run 15-30G's depending on your custom outfit and any other goodies you can work into the budget. > Nathan > >>>> Nathan at the DOT :) > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tony Hlabse > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 9:47 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Better Version? > > > Biggest thing I like about E2K is the improved OWA but like > so well put > below. It's alot of work/money for such little in return. > > > > > >As Tony Redmond stated, Do NOT go to active directory unless you can > >establish a business need or it will stall. (MEC Orlando) Which > >subsequently means that since most businesses have no need > for Active > >directory that places Exchange 2k as no business need too (wouldn't > >that be the transitive property?). > > > >However, there are also reports that show that the only > business need > >for Active Directory is the Exchange 2000 requirement that > you have it. > > >If that makes a good enough reason... > > > >Keep in mind in place of the 1 Exchange server, you will now have to > >have a Global Catalog Server, an Active Directory server and > a Domain > >Controller, plus the Exchange Servers (that have IIS installed by > >default). At $20,000 a server, that now means you will be > spending an > >additional $60,000 (software 'subscription' NOT included). > > > >Which is better? If you have thousands of dollars to blow on 1st > >generation > >technology and are ready to do it every 2 years (or pay twice as much > if > >you > >don't) then go for it. If not, then Exchange 5.5 looks mighty swell. > > > >Not intended to be a flame, but it might read that way. No > matter how > >much I like Exchange 2k, the requirements placed on Exchange > to rely on > > >Active Directory introduce way to many failure points... > > > >Nathan > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Osborn, Joel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 10:29 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: Better Version? > > > > > > > > > The figures I've seen indicate that only 15% of Exchange > shops have > > > migrated to 2000. > > > > > > So there must not be much of a reason to migrate. > > > > > > Do not migrate until you have a very good handle on Active > > > Directory. > > > > > > Joel K. Osborn > > > Information Systems Technical Specialist > > > Wisconsin Department of Transportation [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 6:27 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: Better Version? > > > > > > > > > I've got a feeling there will still be a lot of 5.5 shops > > > around come Oct. > > > 2002 - supported or not... > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:20 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: Better Version? > > > > > > > > > because 5.5 will not be supported (officially) in 2 years or > > > less, probably > > > much less (October 2002, just a guess). Hope you receive answers > > > considering you posted this 4 times. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Van Huissteden, Adriaan > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 11:40 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: Better Version? > > > > > > > > > Exchange 5.5 or 2K? > > > > > > Which is a better version? Why Change? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Adriaan Van Huissteden > > > > > > Network Administrator > > > Connect Credit Union > > > Phone: (03) 6233 0660 > > > > > > > > > > > > Disclaimer: The information in this message or attachments > > > (if any) may be > > > confidential or legally privileged material. It is intended > > > solely for the > > > addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is > > > unauthorised. 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