>Subject: RE: Outlook blocked access to the following potentially unsafe
>From: Chris Scharff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:54:00 -0600
>>There are about 20 pages of material relating 
>> to this patch and since I run a dept. with over 50 systems 
>
>Ok... So of the pages you did read.. Which were the compelling reasons
which
>caused you to apply the patch? What issue was it fixing for you which made
>it a time critical installation? I don't install any patch from Microsoft

Simply put, eliminate the nonsense about auto-running of vb scripts and
accident execution of like programs, yes including .exe and .com.  But
damnit, I still wanted a way to get those .exe and .com attachments from
some workstations.

I never stated that I regret installing this patch, rather, I'm annoyed that
MS choose this as their solution to the vb* scripting stupidity.  

The smarter solution would have been to remove the dangerous capabilities of
their scripting language.  Is that so difficult for some to understand?

>There are certainly other solutions and Microsoft provided workarounds..
>Analogies are so inaccurate when actual factual discussions would suffice.

True, however, analogies are very effective when factual discussions are not
understood.

>Well, that's about 30% short of what was needed. Since this was an Outlook
>patch, did you visit the FAQ's suggested resource for any Outlook
questions?
>If so, you would have found a ton of information on the subject.

Again, I did understand the nature of this patch.  70% meant that I skimmed
through the documentation but I understood what to expect.  

If you're referring to the FAQ advertised in this discussion list, I just
recently read it; my compliments to the creator(s).  Very well done!

>This isn't a friendly discussion group, it's a professional discussion
>group. The Outlook security patch has been discussed ad infinitum here.
It's
>hardly new and if you'd wanted to know its value, you could have checked
the
>archives.

A group of 'professionals'?  Well, I'm not entirely convinced by *some* of
the responses I've received.  
I'm new here, so I've only recently found the archives.

>The assumptions I see being made are that you didn't take the time to
>thoroughly read up on the patch or research it, and that you deployed it on

Incorrect. I've already explained this several times.  Perhaps I wasn't
clear about this in the beginning.

In my original message, I did clearly demonstrate my knowledge of the
registration work-around to the patch's intended limitations.  I was simply
inquiring about alternative corrections.

> Your proactive stance being to deploy the latest version without testing?

Erroneous assumption.

> Gee, let me share my $0.99 test plan... 
>1. Acknowledge existence of new patch.
>2. Monitor public forums as idiots deploy it without testing.
>3. Laugh
>4. Learn from their mistakes.
>5. Read the advice of industry experts.
>6. Decide if it's something I even need.
>7. Deploy it on a test box... Or a VM if I can't afford a test box.
>8. Understand what it does.
>9. Explain what it does to mgmt. along with a recommendation to deploy or
>not.
>10. Consume frosty beverage.

Yep, I agree.  Although the mgmt part.... I am management!  I really don't
have anyone to confer with.  It's rather lonely being the only IT 'expert'
in this organization.

Anyhow, you reminded me of 


a scenario I read about on Microsoft.public.windowsnt.apps that occurred a
few years back with NT 4 SP4.  I'll post this in my next msg.  - title: Why
one must test before deploying patches!   Read it, it's a riot!






Anyhow, Chris... it was a joy responding to you.  

Have a nice day,
Shawn





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