Maybe there's a replication issue. Is the DL on the same server as your IMC? Also, if 
you think the problem is caused by the lack of list members, you could always make 
yourself a member, and then see if you still get the NDR.

-Peter


-----Original Message-----
From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 13:46
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: DL with no Members (WAS) RE: High Physical Memory Utilizati
on


Ok...I deleted the DL and recreated it, with only the x400 addy and 2 smtp
addy's...one is [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Now that it has an x400 addy, it still
gives me the same error message to my personal account.

Note:  Lori...actually, I want e-mail to users that have left the company
and would normally generate NDR's back to the sender to simply vaporize.
While I know it is not RFC 822 compliant, we have been getting hit with so
much SPAM lately that I don't really care.  As Andy David said (I think),
"Most Spammers won't remove you or are simply too stupid to know how."
(paraphrased)

Jim Blunt

-----Original Message-----
From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:05 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: DL with no Members (WAS) RE: High Physical Memory Utilizati on


Lori,

Three instances in the APPLICATION Event Log that a message to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] was undeliverable and that an NDR was being generated.

However, Peter hit the nail on the head with his "Q" article.  When I
deleted the SMTP addy for the DL, I got overzealous and deleted the X400
addy as well.  Man...there's nothing like Exchange to keep kicking you in
the teeth and reminding you how much you have to learn and remember.

As a coworker of mine used to say, "Would you like some ketchup with that
book?"

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:26 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: DL with no Members (WAS) RE: High Physical Memory Utilizati on


But you don't get a COPY of the mail sent to the postmaster mailbox, do you?
Don't you still want the sender to know that the address is invalid, but you
personally don't want to see the mail bouncing by?

I just sent something.  Let me know if you got a copy in postmaster.

-----Original Message-----
From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 2:21 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: DL with no Members (WAS) RE: High Physical Memory Utilization


Mr. Lefkovics / Dr. Dogg,

When I send an e-mail to an address I know to be on the DL in question, it
should just disappear, without any notification to me or the postmaster,
correct?  Instead, when I send to an address on that DL, I get the following
error message from the System Administrator account:

        From:           System Administrator  
        Sent:           Tuesday, January 15, 2002 11:09 AM
        To:             '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
        Subject:        Undeliverable: Test

        Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.

        Subject:        Test
        Sent:   1/15/2002 11:09 AM

        The following recipient(s) could not be reached:

        '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' on 1/15/2002 11:09 AM
                Unable to complete the expansion of a distribution list
                The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=US;a=
;p=HANFORD;l=ERCEX06-020115190847Z-31857
                        MSEXCH:MSExchangeMTA:ERC:ERCEX06

1.  The name of the DL is DL-ERC-Deleted Accounts
2.  The DL has no SMTP addy of its own.
3.  The DL is hidden from the GAL.
4.  It is set to expand on any server in the site.
5.  It is set to accept from all and not reject anyone.
6.  No one but me has permissions to it.
7.  It's not on any other DL's.
8.  There are no members in this DL.
9.  It only has 10 SMTP addys associated with it.
10. None of the addy's exist anywhere else.

Thanks for the help.

Jim Blunt


-----Original Message-----
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:12 PM
To: Blunt, James H (Jim); '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: High Physical Memory Utilization


LOL!  How did I get in there?

No NDR should be returned if the SMTP alias is typed correctly.  And no
error message should be returned.  At least not in my  Exchange5.5
experience regarding this.

I haven't read this thread (sorry) but I'd log into hotmail or something and
send to this person and review the NDR.

Praise be to Allah.

William


-----Original Message-----
From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:09 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: High Physical Memory Utilization


Hey Dr. Dogg,

Got a question on that little NDR thingee...

I implemented that little DL tip as well, when I saw that on the list...and
it IS hidden.  Since then, I have gotten an NDR for an employee that left.
In that NDR, directly in the To... list was the name of the new, hidden DL.
The DL has no SMTP addy of it's own now, thanks to Chris Scharff's tip
yesterday and it has NEVER been used to send an e-mail out. However, is it
POSSIBLE (maybe not probable) that when the message comes in for the SMTP
addy in the DL and it tries to send to the blank list, that at that point it
sends an error (not an NDR) message back to the originator, with the DL name
in the e-mail???

To read the full thread yesterday, look under "OWA Enumeration Question".

TIA,

James H (Jim) Blunt
Network / Microsoft Exchange Admin.
Network & Infrastructure Group
Bechtel Hanford, Inc.
509-372-9188
-----Original Message-----
From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 2:02 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: High Physical Memory Utilization


The box is a Dual Xeon 550 Compaq server with an External RAID array.

I get that too. Takes me a few minutes to load the admin mail box. Then
there are about 2000 new NDR'S and such in there every day when I load it.
That box hates me. But thanks to Mr. Lefkovics that is getting better.

<paste>
NDR's By William Lefkovics
The black hole is to create a DL that has multiple SMTP addresses of
ex-employees, but  make sure there's no members in the DL. Messages sent to
the relevant SMTP addresses  simply vanish. Shame you can't put a few
selected people into the DL as well. :-) </paste>

Milton R Dogg
Of The Dogg Foundation..

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Saul
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 1:58 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: High Physical Memory Utilization


How many, and what speed is your processor on your Exchange Box?  I am
running 1gMhz, with 1g Ram, for about 200 users, and I still get "Requesting
data from the Microsoft Exchange Server"  Share your secret on how you do
that?

Thanks
Saul

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