I'm waiting to be able to synchronize my 32-terabyte PST to my PDA.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
Compaq Computer Corporation
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dillon, Jeff
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:40 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST


Well, they're now in "bug-fix mode" as you've read, so there's a general
moratorium on desired feature updates as well as the more numerous "you
want this--trust us" stuff.  Probably worth the wait....

-----Original Message-----
From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:33 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST


Yes, it works well.  That was never the point.  But, just like a MAPI
session, you should be able to do a synch while in browse mode on OWA.  

I don't get it.  Why are you guys arguing in favor of keeping a small
and extremely useful feature out of the product?  Is it a "we're tough,
we can take it" sort of thing, or what?

Or maybe it is that you've bought into the view that small machines
should
only be used as companions to "real" machines.   Sheesh, I thought that
attitude died back in the 80's when the mainframe crowd tried to
convince everyone that OV, HP Desk and All-In-1 were the "real"
workgroup messaging systems, and that LAN mail should be relegated to
simple departmental messaging only tasks.

It's amazing.  The PC guys have grown up to become the dinosaurs that
they displaced.



-----Original Message-----
From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 3:56 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST


Actually, although it is quite small and requires you to move around the
screen a lot, I just did what Serdar suggested.  Threw an Ethernet card
in my iPaq and went straight to the OWA...logged in and it worked like a
charm!

-----Original Message-----
From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 11:04 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST



What I'm trying to say is that currently the technology is available to
"access my data when I am not at my desk".  As long as you have a
wireless modem in your PDA, you can 

A. Browse to OWA.
B. Connect directly to Exchange via POP3.

So, from the PDAs you can access your data.  If they already have IMAP,
then you can pick and choose what you want to download to your PDA when
you're on the road.  Then when you're back on the network you can simply
synch your PDA again.

If you have your OWA available on the Internet, then you can "access
your data" even from a kiosk in an airport.

All I'm saying is there is no need to force a web front end to
synchronize with an offline copy of your mailbox when you can directly
connect to the back-end database.  


S.

PS: These are my personal views.  If you want the official position of
Kmart on the subject, you'll need to contact our Corporate
Communications, I am not authorized to talk about that.  What they think
at Wal-mart or Target or any other company doesn't have any relevance to
the discussion here.  

Countering the argument by saying "you're wrong because your company is
in bad shape" is quite childish.




-----Original Message-----
From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 1:45 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST


You should be able to synch what you can see, if synching makes sense.

But, the problem goes deeper than that.  Both OWA and PDA's are about
the exact same general problem set.  That is, "how do I get access to my
data when I am not at my desk?"  To suggest that OWA should not provide
good service to PDA clients is to condemn the product as having no
future.  I don't think that any of us want that.

What do you think the view would be over at Wal-Mart of Target?

-----Original Message-----
From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:35 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST


Well, I have to disagree.  OWA is designed to be web-based mail that can
be accessed from anywhere.  OSTs/PSTs and such are chained to a specific
desktop which defeats the purpose of using OWA.  Plus, if you had OWA
synching with stuff, you wouldn't be getting around the OST
synchronization problems.  You'll just be tranporting your problems to a
different platform.

If you can set up the pocket PC to be an IMAP client, you would be able
to achieve what you described.  I don't have a pocket PC so I can't test
if this can be done or not [1].

S.

[1] Help a poor admin out.  Donate to "iPaq for Serdar" fund today!



-----Original Message-----
From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:35 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST


No.  This is a significant and long standing deficiency in OWA, and
probably an entrepreneurial opportunity similar to the one that ASL (now
a part of Extended Systems) worked on.

One could do it two ways - stupidly or neatly.  The stupid way would be
to pull the data from the OWA U/I.  The neat way would be to build an
extension to the OWA server that made the synch data available to a
browser plug-in, which in turn would update any of several local stores.
A good implementation would support the following stores at a minimum:
        .OST
        Pocket PC and Pocket PC 2002
        Palm/Handspring 

I doubt that it is worth doing a .PST synchronizer.

If you stop and think about it, it is really lame that a PDA can't call
Exchange, look at the store contents in a browser, and then synch
anything that is worth the bandwidth cost (time and money).  This is
especially true if you consider something like a "Stinger" phone.

If someone out there decides to build this, call me. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Varghese, Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 1:18 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST


Anyone know of a utility that you can install on the OWA server or
client that will download emails from the Exchange server and place them
in your OST or PST?  And then upload changes to the Exchange Server?
I'm looking for a way to bypass the synchronization required for people
that work offline.  

If you could point me to a website that would be great.. I've been
searching all morning and came up with a few calendar sync programs..
but nothing that does actual emails.

Thanks in advance.

Wilson Varghese 
NT Systems Manager
KMV, LLC
Office: (415)229-0726
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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