I'll take teasers for $200 Alex.
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 5:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Even with studying and knowing the material on the cert exams doesn't guarantee that one will be able to apply said knowledge to reall life system administration problems. I would rather give someone a brain teaser and see how their brain works, rather than see a cert. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -K.Borndale IT Manager Sybari Software 631.630.8569 -direct dial 631.439.0689 -fax http://www.sybari.com "One man's ceiling is another man's floor" "Soysal, Serdar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: cc: bounce-exchange-148870@l Subject: RE: Cerification question s.swynk.com 05/01/02 04:55 PM Please respond to "Exchange Discussions" Certs are not a sign of competency. They just mean that the person is capable of memorizing braindumps. I interviewed MCSEs that answered the question "Explain your NT domain structure in your previous job" with an answer like "We had ATM coming to the back of our PCs". You've got to be careful with MCSEs that come with huge resumes. There are some ways you can tell if they're good or not though. For example if the candidate writes MCSE with a larger font than his own name, you probably have a clueless wall-licker in your hands. If a person doesn't have certification, it means that he/she has not sat through the tests. That person can be the most knowledgeable guy out there. Serdar Soysal -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The "Best Cert" is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc.... I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -----Original Message----- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -----Original Message----- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. 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