Actually, since this list is free, and anyone can come here and ask a
question, I don't think anyone has a right to say, "Don't talk to me
that way".

Don't get me wrong, I don't like it much either when Mr. Ely gets his
panties in a wad and goes hog out on me, but then I also don't like it
when someone signs onto the list and asks, "How can I change the admin
account password?", which has been asked at least 500 times and the
answer is out there to be found.

I have a very good friend whom I was managing and he had this really bad
habit of always asking me "How big can a DIM field be?" (Extra credit if
you know a. What language we are talking about, b. What the answer is) I
used to just spout the answer off without thinking about it, then I
decided one day to make him look it up.  He got quite upset with me, and
said, "You know, why don't you just tell me?"  To which I replied, "Give
a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach a man to fish, he eats for a
lifetime."

While I do my best to be nice, that doesn't mean I expect others to.  As
a matter of fact, saying that they should is really placing my standards
of conduct upon them, something I don't have the right to do, and
neither do you.  While if we all lived in a perfect world, people would
never get upset and say cross things, this isn't the perfect world, and
some people, and yes even those that have the greatest knowledge of all,
sometimes just say mean things, my heartfelt suggestion is either learn
to deal with it, or unsubscribe from the list.



Just my opinion,

Bob Sadler
City of Leawood, KS, USA
Internet/WAN Specialist
913-339-6700 X194
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-----Original Message-----
From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:06 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Virus Attack ??


Being nice has nothing to do with it.  Being big assholes (not
specifically
anybody) has everything to do with it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Sadler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 11:03 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Virus Attack ??


When signing up for this list, I think an email should be sent first to
the
person wishing to join that states, "If you haven't done your homework,
don't expect to be treated with kid gloves!".

Hell, I remember my first question on this list, I was told succinctly
by Ed
Crowley to read the FAQ, check the knowledgebase, and if I still had
questions, then ask them, BUT UNDER NO MEANS SHOULD I EVER ASK SUCH A
STUPID
QUESTION AGAIN WITHOUT FIRST TRYING TO FIND THE ANSWER.

The long and the short of it is this, (Paraphrashing ED), if you want to
be
treated nice, call PSS.  If you want the answers, first try and find out
the
information on your own, read the FAQ, search the archives, look into
technet, then and only then, ask your question here.

I guess what I'm saying, is life is hard, and sometimes ppl get a bit
tired
of answering questions that are quite easily answered if you only do the
research first.



Just my opinion,

Bob Sadler
City of Leawood, KS, USA
Internet/WAN Specialist
913-339-6700 X194
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-----Original Message-----
From: Orr, Dale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 9:20 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Virus Attack ??


This has NEVER been the Be Kind to the Clueless List. ALL members are
expected to do some research before asking a question, and are expected
to
actually CONTRIBUTE to the list when their area of expertise is crossed.
If
you have no area of expertise, you need to find the Care Bear List. Once
upon a time, this list had several self-appointed enforcers that kept it
that way. As it happened, they were also amongst the most eloquent,
best-informed contributors. Now that they've gone on to greener
pastures, we
read more and more questions like "What happens if I pull the plug out
of
the back of the server? Is that bad?" Perhaps we should put a fund
together
and pay CJ to come back every few days....

Dale L. Orr
Network Administrator
DoD Polygraph Institute



-----Original Message-----
From: Lanee Hicks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:04 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Virus Attack ??


You are so kind to people.  I hope they are just as kind to you in
return! 

Lanee Hicks, MCSE, CNE
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Slinger, Gary
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 9:36 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Virus Attack ??

Clue 1:
        Exchange Admin program.
        "HELP" menu, "Help" topic, "Index" option, type "tracking" and
look
at all the pretty little entries that come on up.

Clue 2:
        Go on a course

Clue 3:
        Hire someone competent to administer your Exchange system.

Clue 4:
        Read the fscking FAQ.  I'm thinking Appendix D.
        

-----Original Message-----
From: Jorge Cardenas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 14:14
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Virus Attack ??


I'm new working with exchange. How I can track the message? I enabled
the
track message flag on exchange.

Thanks,
Jorge Cardenas.

-----Original Message-----
From: Waters, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 7:30 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Virus Attack ??

track the message.  We have gotten one of these, and it came from the
outside.  The text was a message undeliverable, which comes from system
attendant not the postmaster.  When you track it, you will see who it
really
has come from.  Then tell the sender they have the Klez and now would be
a
good time to get some A/V software and keep it up to date. Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 2:50 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Virus Attack ??


Hi

Recently my exchange server (email=postmaster@domain) keep on auto
generate
mail to the user inside the address book. I have scanned ! I have tried
everything ! But it still happening ! PLS HELP

Fioon

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